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There is no place in Islam "Holy war" is mentioned. "Holy War" is not a muslim term by any means, but is Christian

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in response to reader comment: Freedom of speech isnt an excuse to insult religions, its the right to say what you believe even if a religion is going to choose to be offended.

Submitted by Mohammed (United States), Mar 9, 2008 at 22:07

I made myself clear before, however again I said the split of the Western church, which started to have cracks in it in the 16th century, by Martin Luther. Until that time, all the western world was Christian united under the Pope's authority, including Germany and England, thats why I gave the example of King Richard of England. thus, when you are trying to put the blame of the crusades on the catholics alone is unjustified, as all western Europe was involved in it.

"you call them unjustified because they were against muslims"

Wrong. The crusades are unjustified wars , because they were terrorist wars, with the purpose to kill as many civilians as possible, which is seen by their acts of killing all civilians of the cities they captured. It is not me who says they are unjustified, the pope of Rome apologized for the crusades a few years ago.

"seriously denying jihad means holy war is disingenous nonsense at best, at worst its just stupidity "

FALSE . again, the term 'Holy War' is NOT an Islamic term by anymeans. it is actually a Christian term that described the crusades. you may verify so, by contacting any institution concerned with middle-Eastern and oriental studies.

"You dont actually speak arabic do you?" regardless of whether I speak it or not, you can verify what I said by contacting any Arabic Language Academy, and the term by contacting any Islamic studies center in a reputable university.

"The conditions in Spain improved so much under Muslim rule that Jews from all across Europe came to live in Spain during this Jewish renaissance."

these are not my words, i quoted them from the Jewish Virtual Library at (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/spain1.html) if you have any doubt about it, you may contact them directly.

"so muslims shouldnt condemn the murder of nuns (or any one else) in their name, and should go on the rampage because of academic lectures?????????what on earth are you talking about, is this some form of twisted obscurantist comedy?" Now all that in the quotes are your own words not mine, you may verify so by going back to my previous comments. Telling lies and writing inacurate information, makes your whole arguments uncreditable.

Luckily, there are 1.2 billion muslims in the world to feel offended for the attack by the European media and newspapers on the muslim minority in Europe. for the poor Jews, had no one to feel offended for them when the German media started attacking them in the 1930's.

"The golden age was not as .... in spains muslim history" again, making funny, douptful, statements that cannot be backed by references makes all your argument uncreditable.

"dont pretend you know anything about spains history," where did I pretend so? it seems to me that you have a very wierd way of thinking. again this makes your all arguments uncreditable.

" I will wager you couldnt even draw up a timeline with more than a dozen entries" No comment

Your whole paragraph about Iraq is false and is based on your own assumptions, prove what you write to earn some credibility else I can only say that it is another uncreditable statement.

"several points:- this region currently contains Christians, Druze, Armenians, Kurds, Alawites, some turcomen and several smaller religious/ethnic groupings" this is another reason why all these groups should be worried about the claims in the bible that they are potetnial enemies of Christ. just because their destiny was to live in the lands of Assyria . Again I ask the question, How can there be peace and understanding if such beliefs that make whole nations enemies just because the bible says antichrist will be from Assyria? If their destiny was to be the claimed enemies of Christ, What the Syrian an Iraqi people can do about it?

As regarding your Greece comment:
it is false in the sense that you claim religious freedom is granted in Greece when I mentioned to you that this freedom was not even yet granted when i referenced you to the BBC article. not even in the olympic games when international pressure is there. (Note that the plan to build the first mosque in Greece, in Peania was blocked by the Greek Orthodox Church.)
Note also that there are already many Ottoman mosques in Greece, but are shut down by the government untill today, and not allowed to operate.

"the saudi clergy dont actually feel inclined to accept churches as valid anywhere on earth" Uncreditable statement, how do you accuse them of that? based on what? whats your proof? how do you pretend to know how other people feel? all this makes your whole argument uncreditable again. As i mentioned before, it seems that you have a very strange way of thinking, and that you do not approach facts scientificly.

"you say Assalamu alaikum but I dont think you mean it " As I said being suspicious about everything around you my friend will take you nowhere.

finally, I hope Mr. Pipes reads this series of comments to take a look at the quality of some of his audience. with my full respect to his interesting writings.

Assalamu Alikum.

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