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Reader comment on item: How Many Muslims in the United States?
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Submitted by True Indian (India), Jun 29, 2007 at 19:01

The reason i am calling myself "True Indian' for these posts is that i believe that the the kind of truth i believe in with respect to islam and my views about secularism are not agreed upon by many Literate Indians (though Uneducated) ; mostly because of continual propaganda by the Indian English media (as i mentioned in my previous response) and ofcourse, they detest to hear it,although there is some awakening . As for your allegations about trickery and exclusivist ideology.

First, following is the clear cut example of religiously respected trickery (trickery is not uncommon, however, when it is respected that too religiously instead of decrying then it is a problem). Read:[Al-Hudaybiya and] Lessons from the Prophet Muhammad's Diplomacy, right here to know much more about trickery that you will find hard to pun on.Second, I am a believer of inclusivism and pluralism but then that makes me criticise the opposite. Many Indians think that pluralism means giving refuge to hardcore islamists like Britain did or giving concessions to minorities(Muslims and Christians) at the cost of majority interests as in India.

Also, tell us if the following verses are suggestive of Exclusivism?

9:123 Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged

9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful

9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

3:85 And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.

And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!

22:19 These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads

8:65 O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence.

Source: Wither the Islamic Infidels?

I hope these will be enough,go to faithfreedom.org (and not to comforting faithfreedom.com) for more, either for you to cast aspersions on Islam or make your belief even stronger.

By Abul Kaseem

June 23, 2005


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