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Submitted by Abuhajira (South Africa), Nov 9, 2007 at 18:31

quote : Don't cherry pick and take out of context! We are not all ignorant or unread. The rest of the verse reads

Then why dont you read about what the verse is about!!! also there is an exception in Verse 34, but you are the one who really cherry picked :)

Traditional scholars have explained what regarding this verse:

"Hadhrat Ibn Abbaas (R.A) has stated that the four penalties mentioned in the verse are with regard to four types of crimes. If the robbers had murdered and stolen, they will be executed and crucified. If they only murdered others without stealing anything, they will be executed. If they only stole without killing anyone, their hands and feet will be severed from opposite ends. The fourth penalty of expelling them from the land will apply when they were caught with intent to rob, without committing the action.

Exiling them from the land means that they be expelled and banished from their country according to Imaam Shafi'ee (A.R). The view of Imaam Abu Hanifah (A.R) is that they be imprisoned until they repent. Hadhrat Mumammed Ibn Jareer Tabari (A.R) has combined the above two interpretations by saying that such robbers should be imprisoned in a distant place till they repent.

Hadhrat Makhool Tabi'ee (A.R) says that Hadhrat Umar (R.A) was the first to enforce the penalty of imprisonment saying that he would imprison them until he was convinced of their repentance. He said that he would not exile them because they would then harm the people of the other place.

Some scholars are of the opinion that the Ameerul Mu'mineen has the choice of imposing any of the four penalties to any robber as he pleases. However, Imaam Shafi'ee (A.R) and Imaam Abu Hanifah (A.R) have accepted the interpretation of Hadhrat Ibn Abbaas (R.A) i.e. the four penalties are to be imposed for four different crimes.

Imaam Shafi'ee (A.R) is of the opinion that the bandit should first be executed and then crucified. Certain other Ulema maintain that he be placed alive on the cross and then killed by repeatedly piercing his stomach with a spear. Others say that he should be placed on the cross for three days and then taken down to be executed. ["Ma'aalimut Tanzeel"Vol.2 Pg.33]"

Sir, you who cannot even muster enough to read one line of arabic can gather the audacity to interpret a religious book. What shame! Is this the scholarly literacy you boast?

And when we discuss Quran, then let us discuss Quran and leave aside bible, for if we were even to start discussing that, we will have to first prove its authenticity (which even your own scholars deny with the different versions etc) but that is not the topic.

Finally, Literacy is not from the filter of a critic, rather from realization of the self. Just because we prefer our language over your putrid english which limps in the face of the elloquence of Arabic, it doesnt mean that we are illiterate. True is what one said, "The eye with jondice cannot be blamed to see everything in yellow"!!!

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