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Submitted by Anders Branderud (Sweden), Jan 7, 2009 at 03:40

Daniel Pipes suggests that Jordan should control "West bank". First of all "West bank" is not a proper name, the area is called [some parts Arab-occupied] Yehuda and Shomron. The land was stolen by the Romans in year 135 C.E., and the land belongs to the Jews.

Daniel Pipes suggests that Jordan should control Yehuda and Shomron. Jordan's king Abdullah disagrees with Israel's operation against the terror organisation Hamas; and want's it to stop. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/158679

Nearly two dozen Jordan legislators have demanded that Jordan cut off its diplomatic relations with Israel and expel the Israeli ambassador.

This proves that Jordan is NOT a supporter of Israel. Anyone who supports Israel lets Israel defend herself against the terrorists in Hamas. As long as Hamas doesn't do a complete surrender, including destroying its rockets, we are at war with the terrorists in the organisation Hamas.

There is only one solution to the peace and this is the one Paqid Yirmeyahu has presented:

"Arabs cloak their unrelenting goal, the elimination of Israel, in chameleon-like continually-changing disguises to divert attention from their goal of eliminating Israel.

Peace will not be possible until the Western--European and Christian--world comes to grips with a reality about the two religions--both alien and incomprehensible to western (including western "Jewish") minds--that are the core elements of this conflict. Peace between secular "Jews" and secular "Muslims" has always been a perversion of both religions promoted by Liberal-Left Dilettantes (LLDs) whose vision of peace is neutralizing what they perceive to be their stupid religious brethren. The Israeli government cannot make peace between Israelis, the Arab governments are completely split into two fratricidal factions and the world stupidly expects them to make peace?

Iran has emplaced a classic pincer attack via its remote arms, Khizb-Allah and Syria--intent on acquiring Israel's north and Hamas eliminating Israel from the South, while Iran prosecutes a frontal nuclear missile to exterminate us.

The Palistanis are an extension of Islamojihadists of the sort we've seen in Iraq, Afghanistan, Darfur, etc: equal-opportunity haters and murderers of everybody, even each other--which is why no one wants them. If they were peaceful... Reality is they are not and there are no signs they will ever place a life of peace and prosperity above eliminating Israel from their religious zeal to reacquire what they regard as Waqf land like Spain and other "lost Waqf lands." To preserve this fiction, history began in 1948, or the 7th century. Anything before that, of course, exposes the reality: Israel is Arab-occupied Jewish land and, before Muhammed, Arabs were not the torchbearers of the "true" Biblical faith of Abraham, as Muslim displacement theology claims, but worshipped in an idolatrous temple in Mecca that was transformed into today's Ka'ab. These two intractably contradictory religions can coexist only where separation and tolerance are guaranteed to both.

The modern reality is that we Jews and our Arab cousins will have to live in close proximity; and it will be better for all of us if we agree to do it without families suffering constant losses of relatives to bloodshed.

There are only two ways to achieve this:
[a] Israel to become a protectorate of Muslims or
[b] Muslims in the disputed areas to become protectorates of Jews

Arab Israelis live, prosper compared to their brethren, and enjoy the freedom to complain in Israel. Arab merchants drive by my apartment periodically, with loudspeakers blaring their offers, in complete safety. I see Arabs mingling in the crowds shopping at the mall. No one pays any special attention to them any differently than Jews.

Contrast this with lynchings of Jews unfortunate enough to get lost in a Muslim area. The Yemenite and Sepharadi Jews who have lived and suffered abuses under Muslim rule, not even permitted to be men on par with their Arab "superiors," are living testimonials that Muslim claims of tolerance of "dhimmis" are self-deluding lies strictly for western consumption--and LLDs in the west are naive and gullible.

A priori, the only way both parties will ever coexist without bloodshed is when Israel guarantees, and Arabs are willing to agree, for Arab populations in the disputed Arab-occupied lands to become self-governing protectorates, not a Muslim-Arab state launching pad to finally finish-off Israel.

For now, this is unthinkable to Muslims and other Arabs because--regardless of the diversionary excuses given to the western media--the core goal of eliminating Israel would be completely taken off the table. Yet, this is the first, unavoidable, step to an enduring peace. Therefore, the only option is to make the CVN protectorates a fait accompli--extending all rights of self-government and self-determination to them except as specified (e.g., the right to vote in Israeli elections, contain a military or terrorists, etc.).

The same is true of Jerusalem. The only living people for whom Jerusalem was their capital is the Jews... and the only reason this has BECOME important to the Muslims is because they know it is the HEART of Judaism and Jews. Arabs insistence on holding our heart in their hand in just another means of destroying Israel. Muslim and Christian Arabs know that but it's too alien to secular LLDs, including secular Israeli and western "Jewish" LLDs, for them to comprehend.

To be viable, these protectorates would have to thrive and prosper; guaranteeing the better life that Arabs SAY they seek. Israel would have to open up markets, transportation, communication, etc. Peace, alone, would permit that. It would be in Israel's interest to make it thrive and prosper, to the benefit of Arab residents there. Arafats, Hamases and PLOs would no longer be able to keep them miserable and angry to staff their terrorist martyr positions. It is the only hope for a better life of peace and prosperity for Arabs of this area and their children. We've been here for 3,000 years and they're right about one thing: we are here to stay.

Then comes the tough part: Israel must not only never budge from that position, despite terrorist responses, never even giving the impression that there is any "wiggle room" that would continue to fuel their hopes of eventually achieving demographic predominance and political Muslim take-over of "Palestine," eliminating Israel entirely.

Paqid Yirmeyahu
Paqid 16, The Netzarim
Israeli Orthodox Jew (Teimani Baladi Dardai)
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Comment: Comment: Only One Possible Solution... Someday, Not Yet Addendum

CVN = Concurrent Village Networks. I've been urging a separate solution for the Arab-occupied West Bank since I proposed two separate and distinct Concurrent Village Networks of protectorates (one Jewish and one Arab) for the West Bank to MK Uzi Landau in 1988."

----End of quote

From Anders Branderud

Geir Toshav, Netzarim (www.netzarim.co.il)


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Who are we to decide? [109 words]RTJan 19, 2009 00:23148388
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Think outside the box people [87 words]PDMJan 14, 2009 05:18148003
I agree wholeheartedly [51 words]KyleJan 13, 2009 13:56147931
Shared Jordanian-Egyptian rule: Amman rules the West Bank and Cairo runs Gaza. [88 words]ChrisonaJan 13, 2009 00:13147899
the "No-State Solution!" [182 words]aoineJan 12, 2009 02:07147813
Pipes is onto something here [26 words]ZentristJan 11, 2009 23:13147804
Mistakes regarding Gazans' dialect(s) [232 words]
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The Missiles of Gaza [385 words]JayJan 11, 2009 02:22147714
Jordanian West Bank is a Mistake [27 words]Dennis DJan 11, 2009 00:10147701
control over territories but not over people, how come? [19 words]HDMMar 1, 2009 10:51147701
Egyptian/Jordanian Rule [151 words]sabermanJan 10, 2009 11:10147650
Israstine is the solution [78 words]Peter CarvapaiJan 10, 2009 05:47147635
Israstine is the solution >Reply [266 words]AngelJan 13, 2009 21:33147635
1The dream of the Arabic nations. [74 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreJan 10, 2009 04:01147630
Gaza under Egyptian control delays the eventual outcome.. [590 words]kmanJan 9, 2009 21:00147610
the G-word [60 words]AshOct 16, 2009 04:35147610
"genocide". [139 words]kmanOct 18, 2009 15:44147610
I'm afraid that is wishful thinking, Jordan and Egypt have no intention of taking those lands back [142 words]Charles MartelJan 9, 2009 11:25147578
No sane people can justify Israel's brutal attack on the civilians in Gaza [356 words]Sadia MasroorJan 9, 2009 11:07147576
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Political definitions are a nightmare in the Middle East [332 words]Israel HazakJan 9, 2009 08:00147562
no peace ever in arabia [125 words]btillyJan 9, 2009 04:03147546
God Defends Israel [5318 words]Sound DocJan 8, 2009 23:13147526
Comprehensive Solution : Jerusalem & Population Exchange [969 words]Samuel J. Richelew, PEJan 8, 2009 21:00147522
Possible exchange of territories between Israelis and Palestinians [159 words]DEMSCIJan 11, 2009 06:44147522
carrot and stick [303 words]shalom pollackJan 12, 2009 15:37147522
1Giving land to Jordan and Egypt will not solve the problem [209 words]Gamaliel IsaacJan 8, 2009 16:41147475
Look at the numbers [99 words]TYJan 8, 2009 16:28147473
I think they "get it". The new fashion in world response to agression is - cower. [41 words]kmanJan 8, 2009 18:13147473
interesting numbers... [58 words]jennifer solisJan 9, 2009 02:07147473
1Plan of Action for Peace in the Middle East Already in Motion - Israel Wins. [619 words]M. ToveyJan 8, 2009 12:48147456
Very well said. I kept waiting for the other shoe to fall...Israel attacks Gaza, of course, Hezbullah attacks from north. [83 words]kmanJan 8, 2009 18:08147456
Arabs should absorb their refugess like Israel absorbed Jewish refugees from Arab countries [88 words]RonitJan 8, 2009 12:22147454
Ideology [289 words]Joe Six-PackJan 9, 2009 09:45147454
education is a big part of the solution. [122 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJan 13, 2009 00:08147454
Historically "The Land of Israel" is Jewish Land [254 words]YJ DraimanAug 29, 2017 18:27147454
Qaddafi of Libya could help solve the "Palestinian Problem". [238 words]M.D'SouzaJan 8, 2009 09:58147432
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Qaddafi of Libya [122 words]moJan 15, 2009 18:30147432
for the record [46 words]david a samarli -israelJan 8, 2009 08:12147425
Publish the truth. [111 words]Larry B.Jan 9, 2009 10:11147425
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Once they invade and grab the land they think it's theirs forever!!! [71 words]JaladhiJan 21, 2009 15:27147389
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The Essence, Not Externalities, Will Bring the Solution [135 words]DavidJan 7, 2009 23:43147378
Brilliant anaylsis - as usual [78 words]Ron KolskyJan 7, 2009 22:50147377
hollow peace may bring countdown to armageddon [46 words]Keith WilliamsJan 7, 2009 22:38147375
Armageddon - which bits of the Bible suit you? [90 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJan 9, 2009 21:57147375
reply to the grand infidel [6 words]Keith WilliamsJan 11, 2009 23:58147375
truth or fiction? [193 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJan 13, 2009 21:23147375
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Re: Solving the Gaza Crisis [65 words]Joyce Stoer CordiJan 7, 2009 18:07147353
The "key" is miraculously erasing the inbred and "educated since childhood" mindless hatred of the Jews ... [54 words]kmanJan 8, 2009 02:16147353
the desolation of Gaza [112 words]Rebecca MouldsJan 7, 2009 17:32147347
Jordanian option [98 words]Henk TwerdaJan 7, 2009 17:22147345
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misinformed [285 words]pete murrayJan 7, 2009 16:18147337
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God is for the living and dead [228 words]sTsJan 24, 2009 00:39147326
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A solution that has already failed [121 words]
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One "minor" problem here - the Paletinians were invited to stay and enjoy full citizenship..they weren't displaced. [121 words]kmanJan 8, 2009 02:08147314
Honesty [219 words]LynnJan 8, 2009 10:10147314
Rereat from tunnel vision ... [353 words]kmanJan 8, 2009 22:51147314
Kman, I want to make sure [26 words]LynnJan 12, 2009 11:08147314
Have to admit, don't know why that comment was addressed to you ... [24 words]kmanJan 12, 2009 18:31147314
not a bad solution if it ends violence [79 words]thebassguyJan 7, 2009 12:32147310
The Palestinian Arabs of East Jerusalem [243 words]Renee BouvierJan 7, 2009 12:30147309
A refreshing drink from someone who sees reality ...well said. [14 words]kmanJan 8, 2009 01:59147309
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Solving the Palestinian Problem [72 words]prakashJan 7, 2009 22:47147302
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The only solution left... [489 words]God's busy, how can I help you?Jan 7, 2009 10:39147289
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peace and justice [46 words]mohamedJan 10, 2009 15:45147289
1Sorry for your "sad", but Gazans voted in HAMAS. When they get tired of serving as human shields, they will vote them out. [64 words]kmanJan 13, 2009 16:31147289
2Mohamed: Allah is quite comfortable with man's inhumanity to man. Read 8:67 and 9:111. [425 words]PlatoJan 14, 2009 21:29147289
Right [14 words]DonJan 15, 2009 15:07147289
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1Nura, a new Hamas strategy [141 words]InfidelJan 19, 2009 12:40147289
tactics [394 words]NuraJan 21, 2009 00:35147289
2Nura, and her new strategy [399 words]InfidelJan 21, 2009 21:19147289
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Pay to move? [125 words]FeFeJan 7, 2009 08:50147275
I think the same, FeFe [144 words]DonJan 7, 2009 18:46147275
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Not such a practical approach [229 words]Sergio RubinsteinJan 7, 2009 06:17147261
analysis fine, solution problematic [189 words]Prof. GilbertHerbertJan 7, 2009 05:54147259
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Absolutely!! What you said. [32 words]kmanJan 8, 2009 18:27147259
No to your idea. [54 words]richard kraussJan 7, 2009 05:50147258
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I couldn't disagree more with this idea [509 words]Ken BesigJan 7, 2009 04:25147250
1Judea and Samaria Belongs to Jews -- Not to Jordanians [174 words]Rabbi Dov FischerJan 7, 2009 04:03147249
half the truth [193 words]yuval Brandstetter MDJan 7, 2009 03:52147248
Gaza Still Belongs to Abraham's Promise [324 words]M. ToveyJan 7, 2009 19:47147248
Dr. Brandstetter, hasn't your opinion changed? [181 words]saraJan 13, 2009 19:08147248
No change there [48 words]yuval Brandstetter MDJan 14, 2009 15:15147248
1The Final Solution [268 words]Jolly JackJan 7, 2009 03:48147247
The only solution to peace is presented in this talkbalk (Jordan politicians doesn't support our fight against the terrorists) [1105 words]Anders BranderudJan 7, 2009 03:40147246
The Only Realistic Solution How to Solve the Palestinian Problem [1178 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Prof. Paul EidelbergJan 7, 2009 03:34147245
Correction to a "Realistic Solution ..." [248 words]Paul EidelbergJan 8, 2009 06:24147245
I wish you all the good fortune in the world against the "new" left (liberal movement that seems to have infested all of the western world. [132 words]kmanJan 8, 2009 23:04147245
1Israel should be a land for Jews and Christians Only! Not one Single Muslim in the land - diametrically opposed! [48 words]AlastairJan 11, 2009 05:18147245
Amen to that! [14 words]kmanJan 13, 2009 16:34147245
Yes! Glory be to him! Maranatha! [194 words]Mulla SadraJan 20, 2009 17:17147245
Soon God will decide! [89 words]Cetus HollowayFeb 11, 2009 16:20147245
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Excellent Plan, but how to deal with Iran? [24 words]SvetlanachkahJan 7, 2009 03:09147244

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