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Reader comment on item: Swiss Minarets and European Islam
in response to reader comment: this hatred caused 9.11

Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Dec 25, 2009 at 00:12

Mr Havas writes:

"...ı am not very sure ,but ı think all the terrorists --so called islamic terrorists-- were from europe. they did not come from saudi arabia or afghanistan,they were from england,from germany. no wonder?"

Indeed Mr Havas - you admit you are not very sure - in fact you have no idea at all. Yet you insist that they were from England and Germany??? Yet a little bit of research would have shown you that 15 of the 19 September 11 group - not 'so-called' but REAL Islamic terorists, were from Saudi Arabia - that most muslim of all muslim countries. http://www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com/

Mohamed Atta, pilot and group leader
Age: 33.
Nationality: Egyptian.
"A walking dead man." That is how the head of one Florida flight school described this son of a middle-class lawyer and a doting mother. It was not a reference to Atta's impending suicide, but to his demeanor. Most Floridians who encountered Atta remember him as always serious and frequently boorish. Thought to be a mastermind of the Sept. 11 plot, he and two other leader/pilots, Marwan al-Shehhi and Ziad Jarrah, go back to the late 1990s when they spent time together at Technical University of Hamburg-Harburg in Germany.

Abdulaziz Alomari
Age: Unknown.
Nationality: Saudi.
The last hijacker to arrive in the United States. His grinning face captured at an ATM machine in Portland, Maine, gave rise to an FBI theory that some hijackers did not know the Sept. 11 plot was a suicide mission. Took flying classes in Vero Beach. Trained at a Boynton Beach gym.

Satam M.A. Al Suqami
Age: 25.
Nationality: Saudi.
Tied to a foiled millennium plot to blow up tourist sites. Trained in a Boynton Beach gym.

Wail M. Alshehri
Age: 28.
Nationality: Saudi.
Stayed at motels in Hollywood, Deerfield Beach and Boynton Beach. Brother is Waleed, below.

Waleed M. Alshehri
Age: 22.
Nationality: Saudi.
Generally followed his brother's movements in Florida. Their father last saw them in December 2000 when Wail Alshehri went away to seek religious help for a psychological problem.

UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175
7:58 a.m.: Departed Boston for Los Angeles
9:02 a.m.: Crashed into the south tower of the World Trade Center

Marwan al-Shehhi, pilot and group leader
Age: 23.
Nationality: United Arab Emirates.
Al-Shehhi was a friendly foil to his frequent companion, the brooding Atta, as they earned their commercial pilots licenses together in Venice, then trained on a simulator in Opa-Locka near Miami. He and Atta arrived in the United States in the summer of 2000. This time last year, al-Shehhi, Atta and several other Sept. 11 terrorists were living at a Deerfield Beach motel, where the owner noticed they dressed nicely, never went to the beach a block away, never swam in the kidney-shaped pool and always carried black duffel bags.

Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad
Age: 28.
Nationality: Saudi.
He left home in July 2000, telling his family he was joining the International Islamic Relief Organization. He turned up later in Delray Beach. A year ago this past Tuesday, he purchased his first-class ticket on Flight 175.

Ahmed Alghamdi
Age: 21.
Nationality: Saudi.
One of two Sept. 11 terrorists with ties to a foiled millennium plot to attack tourist destinations. Lived in Delray, but moved to Virginia by this time last year to get in place for the attack.

Hamza Alghamdi
Age: 20.
Nationality: Saudi.
Lived in Delray Beach with two hijackers from Flight 93, the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania.

Mohand Alshehri
Age: 21.
Nationality: Unknown.
Not related to the Alshehri brothers aboard Flight 11. Lived in Delray Beach, where a librarian remembers his name on signup sheets to wait to use a computer.

"...... how great hatered you cause there with this kind of attitude. you cant understand what makes them terrorists."

So how was this 'great hatred' caused by Europeans freely expressing their opinion - as is their democratic right - in the rather closed society of Saudi Arabia. No, you must look at other reasons for this hatred -

"....... it is easy isnt it. just say it is evil kuran."

As you suggest - a very good starting place

" it is your continent. you invited those workers there legally. now you dont like them after 40 years. "

They were 'gastarbeiter' - guest workers. Note - 'Guest.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastarbeiter

The fact that these 'guests' did not honour their stated 2 year term of residence in Germany and other countries cannot be blamed on their governments.

"but you see,they will not become gays"

As you can see - they do and they have......

http://www.expatica.com/de/news/local_news/turkish-gays-and-lesbians-delight-in-german-freedom-14868.html

http://www.orangelog.eu/en/topics/dare-conference/articles/article-event-title0/article/165/220/

and some remain in Turkey http://www.qrd.org/qrd/www/world/europe/turkey/

There's no excuses these days for either lying or poor research, Mr.Havas.

".....or their women will not walk around naked etc."

How often do women walk around naked in public - even in Germany, Mr.Havas? Are you trying to distort facts or is this another case of you just not knowing?

".....so the best way is stop psicologic torture and just ban islam. "

Whether or not that is a practical thing to do - I'm sure you'll find many people who agree with you.

"so everybody can see your real ugly faces. why cant you do it?"

The rest of the world is a mirror for Islam which is beginning to see its own beatific countenance.

Merry Christmas.

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