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Has this guy actually heard of The Romans?

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in response to reader comment: You are wrong on Rome Kevin

Submitted by Sword of Islam & The Babies of Beslan (United Kingdom), Jun 2, 2006 at 18:17

Submitted by Richard Lion heart, Jun 2, 2006 at 00:36

Roman policy was to bring people into the empire not keep them out.

- And the West is different, how?

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Submitted by Richard Lion heart, Jun 2, 2006 at 00:36

Rome was not interested in teaching its subjects Roman values,

- And the West is different, how?

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Submitted by Richard Lion heart, Jun 2, 2006 at 00:36

rather they were interested in their tax money and their lands.

-Great point. Therefore, you clearly believe that the laxness of European immigration policy is entirely due to altruism and that the number one argument in favour of immigration, ie the need to compensate for a dwindling birth rate in order to pay for an aging population, is a myth. Absolutely correct and nicely removes the only possible logical reason for not making our borders air-tight.

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Submitted by Richard Lion heart, Jun 2, 2006 at 00:36

Although Rome introduce many concepts that are the basis of Western civilization,

Rather an understatement given that no other civilsation in world history can begin to compare with Rome's influence upon modern Western society!

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Submitted by Richard Lion heart, Jun 2, 2006 at 00:36

Rome was also a brutal empire that was despised by its subjects.

- Another great point. Clearly you believe that the rest of the world regards the West (the international beacon of capitalist dogma) with nothing but love and affection by comparison. This is why the US (the capital of this paradigm) has no external enemies.

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Submitted by Richard Lion heart, Jun 2, 2006 at 00:36

It only made historical sense that the Germanic tribes that Rome brutalized would attack her once she showed weakness.

- Oh dear, you fail to state what the weakness actually was. Unusual, given that it is central to the point that you are attempting to rebuff - namely that the internal conflicts that sowed the seeds of Rome's weakness owed no little part to the fact that it went from being an elitist, patrican society where non-natural citizenship could only be earned after lengthy service as an auxillary in the Roman legions to one in which citizenship was available to anyone with the cash to buy it. This fundamental shift in Rome's hegemony proved terminal. Rome was conquered from within, not from without, as anybody with a more than elementary school knowledge of the subject will tell you.

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Submitted by Richard Lion heart, Jun 2, 2006 at 00:36

Therefore your comparison between brutalized people who wanted vengeance

- Based on this flawed logic you presumably also agree that those who believe that the West deserves to shoulder this burden as some kind of payback for the imagined wrongs of colonialism are 'cranks'? Glad to hear it!

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Submitted by Richard Lion heart, Jun 2, 2006 at 00:36

and poor people trying to find a better life is absurd.

The horrors from which these people are fleeing is therefore sufficient to justify regime change. If they can't run their own countries, perhaps we should be running them on their behalf. No coincidence that the largest immigrant groups to Europe in the decade prior to the recent military adventures in the Middle East came from Afghanistan and Iraq. This strategy appears to be quite effective as this is no longer the case. An even greater co-incidence is the fact that Iran is now the largest supplier of immigrants to the West!

Submitted by Richard Lion heart, Jun 2, 2006 at 00:36

We need to confront this problem from both ends,

- Bland statements such as this are the main problem. Long on platitude, short on constructive suggestions. The curse of liberalism. Why not divert your energies from sniping at people with definite opinions and try coming up with some of your own other than flinging our doors wide open and accepting the burdens on our welfare and social structures as being a necessary evil.

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Submitted by Richard Lion heart, Jun 2, 2006 at 00:36

not just build walls around ourselves and pretend we don't the misery and desparation thas exist all around us.

- Follow your own advice and look to our streets. Witness the chaos and social disintegration. Presumably, if you have the courage of your convictions, you are donating a large proportion of your personal earnings to these unfortunate peoples. ...............................

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