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Revisiting Quranic disasters this time the word bism and al-Tabari

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Nov 7, 2012 at 13:47

For the readers: al-Tabari who was a cultured Persian who had no like for the Arabs or their imperialism and who was able to spot a mistake and in this case the word bism as in bism allah al-rahman al-raheem and he goes through the usual twists and turns trying to explain that this word is a mistake and it should have been b'ism and he had no clue that it is a loan word from Syriac Bishm and the Syriac letter sheen becomes Arabic seen et voila we have bism and when nothing seems to work he tells us about this little funny tradition

مُحْتَمَله مِنْ الْوَجْه الَّذِي يَلْزَمنَا تَسْلِيمه لَك ؟ وَلَا سَبِيل إِلَى ذَلِكَ . وَأَمَّا الْخَبَر الَّذِي : 116 - حَدَّثَنَا بِهِ إِسْمَاعِيل بْن الْفَضْل , قَالَ : حَدَّثَنَا إِبْرَاهِيم بْن الْعَلَاء بْن الضَّحَّاك , قَالَ : حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيل بْن عِيَاش , عَنْ إِسْمَاعِيل بْن يَحْيَى عَنْ اِبْن أَبِي مُلَيْكَة , عَمَّنْ حَدَّثَهُ عَنْ اِبْن مَسْعُود , وَمِسْعَر بْن كِدَام , عَنْ عَطِيَّة , عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيد , قَالَ : قَالَ رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ : " إِنَّ عِيسَى اِبْن مَرْيَم أَسْلَمَتْهُ أُمّه إِلَى الْكُتَّاب لِيُعَلِّمهُ , فَقَالَ لَهُ الْمُعَلِّم : اُكْتُبْ بِسْمِ فَقَالَ لَهُ عِيسَى : وَمَا بِسْمِ ؟ فَقَالَ لَهُ الْمُعَلِّم : مَا أَدْرِي ! فَقَالَ عِيسَى : الْبَاء : بَهَاء اللَّه , وَالسِّين : سَنَاؤُهُ , وَالْمِيم : مَمْلَكَته. فَأَخْشَى أَنْ يَكُون غَلَطًا مِنْ الْمُحَدِّث , وَأَنْ يَكُون أَرَادَ : " ب س م " , عَلَى سَبِيل مَا يُعَلَّم الْمُبْتَدِئ مِنْ الصِّبْيَان فِي الْكِتَاب حُرُوف أَبِي جَاد . فَغَلَط بِذَلِكَ , فَوَصَلَهُ فَقَالَ : " بِسْمِ " ; لِأَنَّهُ لَا مَعْنَى لِهَذَا التَّأْوِيل إِذَا تُلِيَ " بِسْمِ اللَّه الرَّحْمَن الرَّحِيم " عَلَى مَا يَتْلُوهُ الْقَارِئ فِي كِتَاب اللَّه , لِاسْتِحَالَةِ مَعْنَاهُ عَلَى الْمَفْهُوم بِهِ عِنْد جَمِيع الْعَرَب وَأَهْل لِسَانهَا , إِذَا حُمِلَ تَأْوِيله عَلَى ذَلِكَ

And he is saying the following:

1. The source of this tradition is no other than babbling Ibn Masud so if this tradition is big time fraud then we can only say that Ibn Masud or those that heard him saying it are liars right our dear Amin who lives among kuffar? so was Ibn Masud a big time liar? and if so why should we believe anything attibuted to him you tell me?

2. He is saying that the source of the tradition comes from no other than Muhammad the PUBH so if this tradition is a piece of fraud so he was a liar right our dear Amin who earned not one but three degrees in "ancient" Arabic?Oh I smell riots here!

3. Then we are told that Muhammad the PUBH is saying that the source of this tradition is really Jesus the PUBH! No I'm not kidding you

So you tell us where did Abul Qasim meet Jesus the PUBH? Let me guess in his dreams right? and why did al-Tabari not just say that this is a piece of fraud as Abul Qasim only met Jesus in his own dearms but he was hearing voices too right? And how did they communicate as Abul Qasim spoke only Arabic and Jesus spoke Syriac? And how come Jesus the PUBH had no clue about the meaning of a perfect Syriac word Bishm that is? So who is the liar here? I do not think it is Jesus! It must be Abul Qasim! What a disater: Abul Qasim is a liar! More riots!

4. And the above Arabic means: "And the teacher said to him (Jesus): write BISM and Jesus replied to him: and what is BISM..."

So what is bism our dear Amin al-tablighee? What a disaster Jesus the PUBH had no clue about a perfect Syriac word!

Oh it does not get better then it says:

"and the teacher replied: I do not know."

Let me help you: I read is as the teacher was saying that the word bism is not an Arabic word! Right?

Oh there is more: 'then Jesus said that the letter B is baha' Allah and the letter seen sana'uhu and the meem his mamlaka or kingdom and I'm AFRAID (read this as al-Tabari believes that Bism is a mistake and what a disaster) it (bism) is a mistake from the speaker and he wanted to say B-S-M in the path of teaching the beginner from the children (or blame the Chidrens excuse) in the book (read this as the Qur'an) the letters of abgad (read this as the Arabic alphabet) and he made a mistake and he linked (the B-S-M) acronym and said BISM"

So is Bism really an acronym?

Alhamdullilah now we know what it means!

What a disaster!

So is this true our dear Amin who lives among kuffar? and if so why would al-Tabari include such disaster in his tafseer you tell me

Oh it gets better

5. Then it says: "because there is no meaning for this ta'weel (read this as reading or exegesis) if he recited bism allah al-rahman al-raheem which is what the reader recites from the book of Allah because it is not possible to understand it at from all the arabs and their grammarians if it remains like that."

Notice he does not tell us what the word means or why would no other than Abul Qasim is the source of this tradition and why was he saying that Jesus was saying that it is an acronym and what a disaster

So he is saying that it is Bism (read this as in the name of) because this is what it says in the basmala and what is recited by the Arabs then it must be bism! But again he lived with the Arabs and their poor logic for a long time! Circular reasoning if there is one

So now we are told in this tradition that the word Bism is a mistake and it is really not a word that means in the name of but an acronym and that the mistake is because the boys that were writing the Qur'an made such mistake so is this right or wrong our dear Amin who earned not one but three degrees in ancient Arabic? and why would al-Tabari include a bogus tradition unless he was really exposing the mistakes in the book of Allah and he is alerting us readers to the nature of the book of Allah and the many mistakes in it

What a disaster Allah cannot even protect his own book and Muslims have no clue about what the book of Allah is saying

What a disaster and how many times did i say what a disaster? Too many times

but you know what? you are free to leave islam and be free again as your Allah says so in surat al-nahl

Submitting....

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