You can ignore the past but never leave it !
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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Oct 26, 2012 at 19:01
> If you are correct that Turkey is a proxy of the US (which I vehemently disagree with), then you make the argument that I am making- that the fight becomes between the US and Russia/Iran.<
Well, this is first and foremost a fight for energy resources of the future - natural gas. Wahhabi Qatar and Saudistan are trying hard to get rid of their Russian and Iranian competitors to become monopolists on the European market.
Anyway, I am far from sure what chances Iran or Russia (whose kleptocratic antinational "elite" transfers billions of dollars annually to the West where it has bought real estate and educates its children) have got in this uneven fight? Given the obvious asymmetry of forces and the need of the US Army to restore its reputation and deflect the public attention from its dismal failures in Iraq and Afghanistan , I presume they need another big time war as much as ExxonMobil or Qatargas do.
Any weakening of Syria and Iran means politically and geostrategically just strengthening of sunnism and in particular of wahhabism or of the US-sunni axis ( Saudi and Qatari wahhabism+al-Qaeda+Moslem Brotherhood +the US overlord), the unholy coalition we know so well from Libya.
> Yes, I agree with this, and what is the long term effect of weakening Shia and strengthening Sunni? It matters not what role the US plays in this aged fight between Shia and Sunni.<
Quite the contrary. I does matter what deeply medieval regressive forces the US is unleashing and supporting to achieve its short-term objectives as it turned out to matter a lot whom the US backed in the 80-ies. I just hope you won't be in a wrong tower when another al-Qaeda pilot crushes a jet into it. For otehrwise you may understand too late that what your government did yesterday is a death sentence for today and tomorrow. Hence I recommend you not to hurry up to leave the past too quickly because you will never escape from it.
> I believe that the mutual hatred and resentment far outweighs any hope of unification against the West, a good thing for us.<
Why unify against the West when the West is being rapidly Islamized with wahhabi princes studying in Western universities and befriending Western elites and wahhabi money buying up and controlling the West to get more mosques and more Islamic immigration ? I mean, face the facts on the ground, my friend !
> You seem to have the need to constantly point out US complicity in the creation of this problem, but whether that is completely true or not (of course there are elements of truth), I fail to see where you take it from there. It is time to move on Ianus, and not repeat the incessant diatribe against America. <
Well, to paraphrase the question you ask "Where does re-telling the truth take us?" How would Cassandra answer the question in your opinion? My guess is "if you ignore the truth, what you are left with is a caricature of reality and not knowing reality you will definitely not be able to cope with it successfully". But is it what you want?
>You share the concern about the future with Islamists and the political ramifications, so address that. It is more important than assigning blame to the past.<
Do you think that Libyan jihadists traveling freely to the Turkish-Syrian border under the US protection, terrorist bases in the US base in Incirlik , the wahhabi tyrants and perverts kissing US strongmen and giving them money to help them win their next election campaigns all belong to the past or forebode something good for the future ?
I wish they did but - alas - what I see is contrary to this and yet a consistent and logical unfolding of the past.There has been hardly any change in the US policy towards Islam since the 1980-ies,nay since 1945! You want me to shut my eyes to that and look for some mythical optimism I see no signs of? Well, first a regime change in the US, then recantation of the past sins, then atonement and policy change and then and only then optimism and hope.
Really? You don't know who organized chaos (through al-Qaeda and the Moslem Brotherhood ) in Libya to kick out the Chinese oil companies and grab the Libyan oil and gold?
> I am aware of some dealings with Amb Stevens and the jihadists with arms to Syria, but not of open cooperation between terror groups and US.<
And did you see it in Libya?If you didn't, they you must be a very happy man,indeed !
> Again I think you are exaggerating and not providing any proof. Even if it were true, so what?<
Just look at Libya to see all you need to know- a nest of jihadism and regress with oil fields under US control. You want me to believe it all happened by accident, an accident of history America is not to blame for and a windfall involuntarily enriching big US companies with oil and 144 tons of Libyan gold? I am too old to believe in fairy tales.
Nothing in particular. Just you may become the next victim of your government's jihadist friends and wahhabi cronies as those 3000 wretched people on September,11th 2001 or amabssador Stevens who shared Qaddafi's fate by being raped before being slaughtered were. I am sure many of them shrugged their shoulders too and asked the same naive question you do , on hearing rumors of Zbigniew Brzezinski's secret dealings and Operation "Cyclone" which have made of Islam the almost perfect terror machine that is destabilizng and terrorizing this world today.
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