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Islamic delusions

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Apr 6, 2008 at 07:53

Our dear Safraz wrote

>On the contrary Oliver - those who give the Koran a violent interpretation or the ones that are nitpicking.
Just because God commanded Moses to slaughter 3,000 idol worshippers - which he then performed efficiently - does not mean Judaism (or Christianity that adopts Exodus in its scripture) commands that Jews slaughter polytheists or idol worshippers in the 21st century.

But wait and I'm being sarcastic here: your Allah tells you that the jews corrupted the Bible. Right? then how do you know that this story of Moses and the 3000 idol worshippers is nothing more than Biblical corruption? Hint: Do not quote a corrupted book

>As the mass majority of Muslims see it (the radical Islamists being the exception), much of the verses in the Koran that deal with war were God's commands to Muhammed during war torn Arabia -

Really? And where is your evidence?

>similar to God's violent commands to Moses in Exodus. They are not general commands for all who follow in times of peace to follow - and any analogies to those incidents must be applied in the proper context.

The context thing again. We do not even know what the Qur'an is really saying that confused and confusing book. So is it maaliki or is it maliki and is it qatiloo al-mushrikeen or is it qatiloo al-mushrikeen and is it la ikrah fi al-deen or is it iqtoloo al-mushrikeen. It seems that Allah cannot even make up his mind so why would you tell us that it is the radical Muslims that are not reading the Qur'an within its proper "context" whatever that is?

>The Islamists however - take the same tact as people like Wilders, Spencer etc. -

Bogus. Wilders and Spencer are exposing islamic fascism. Islamists are following what the Qur'an really says and they seem to be the real Muslims.

>and ignore the context -

What context? And where does it say in ayat al-sayf may be one of the most sordid aya in the Qur'an that caused so much suffering for man and woman kind including your Hindu ancestors included:

Iqtoloo al-mushrikeen fi Mecca faqat wa la taqtoloo aw tuqatilo kul al-bashar al-ladhina la yu'minoona bil Islam.

You will never find such aya in the Qur'an

> ignore the time -

What time? Oh that islam was spread by violence and by the sword?

>and generalized those statements in the Koran, as direclty applicable to the present day.

But your Allah does not say for example:

wa ina qital ahl al-kitab laysa saheeh fi al-qarn al-wahid wa 3ishreen, wa ana al-muslimeen ashab al-yahood wa al-nassara wa al-hidosiyoon wa ahl al-Budha wa ina al-yahood la yakonoo khanazeer wa quruud

You will never find such aya in the Qur'an

>It is they who nitpick and misconstrue the intent of the Koran -

And what on earth is the intent of the Qur'an? Let me see: Q9:29. What do you think? or is it 9:111?

> to serve as an example in context - and not a blueprint to follow out of context.

And who establishes this context? and islam is the religion of the Arabs and you ain't

>These principles have been well established in 1300 years of Islamic jurisprudence and it is the Islamists that are being untrue to history and to Islam.

Really? You see Mohamed Atta must have believed that there are doctirnes in the Qur'an that justify his crime (it makes you wonder that he must have been after the boys in your Allah's little paradise after all he has no like for virgins) It is you our dear Safraz al-tablighee that must find these doctrines and prove them wrong until then may be you need and you must pardon me to shut up

So much for delusions


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