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How many people did Mahommet kill?

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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jan 7, 2012 at 14:27

Ronald Ng wrote :

> Can a Christian be a Christian without following every rule in the Bible? If the answer is yes, then your quoting the passage in the Koran as grounds for saying my Muslim friends are not true muslims is not sustainable. However, if the answer is no, then I have nothing more to say.<

First, let me remark that you are asking a wrong question because you make a wrong comparison.Christianity is in every respect unlike Islam and if you don't realize why , then think of their founders for a moment and answer two simple questions :

a/ How many people did Jesus kill ?

b/ How many people did Mahomet kill ?

If you are not sure about the second question (which I insist you ask your "Moslem friends") , do some googling or start at once with "Asma bint Marwan" - one of the macabre victims of Mahomet's pathological personality cult.

As to your "Moslem friends" I am more than willing to consider them to be "true Moslems" because I consider lying and deception as the basic and necessary attribute of every true Moslem.

I leave aside the fact that you have never quoted the passage to your "Moslem friends" and have never asked them about the nature of the book they worship as penned by Allah.So for them it is impossible to reject the two passages as not written by Allah. I know that a serious, frank and hard discussion is possible only between real friends and not in what is sometimes called "the society for mutual admiration" , i.e. when a Moslem is called a friend of a kafir and tries to preserve decorous appearances, flatters and is flattered and the appearances are never disturbed as every hard and inconvenient question is avoided or answered with no intention to clarify the point.

> Can one be dogmatic about being non-dogmatic?<

It's all too common if you're clever and observant enough .

> The reason why I quoted the Cultural Revolution and the destruction of works of art when the subject was what's happening in Egypt was that both incidents involved the destruction of works of art, one due to the Red Guards blindly following Mao's teaching regarding the bad influence of bourgeoise/feudal art, and the other one due to the islamist's believes.<

This is again a false analogy as the one was you drew between Christianity and Islam. The Cultural Revolution lasted for just 10 years, was an exception and not a rule in China's millenia-old history and there was a clear pragmatic objective for staging it in Mao's mind - to fool both the US and the USSR about his nuclear program that was being simultaneously carried out during those years of seeming internal chaos and madness. I tried to draw your attention to this rarely raised point but apparently to no avail. In your dogmatic interpretation of the Cultural Revolution there is no room for China's nuclear shield.

Now in Islam things are quite different. Destruction of books and works of art is at its very core, it's Islam's basic tenet which has been systematically practiced during the entire period of Islam's existence.This hostility towards the spirit of the kafirs and its achievements is deeply rooted in its very metaphysics. It's not an exception but a rule.

> I am not defending the way the Islamists have been behaving, and believe me, I find he news regarding some of the things that were happening in the Middle East muslim countries abhorrent, but I just want to remind people that similar things had happened in Europe, in China and even in Central America during the time of the Conquistadores, and they all sprung from a blind belief in certain ideas. <

Imagine that many people know it quite well and see your defense (what is it unless defense?) as whitewashing and disculpating Islam through misguided comparisons and wrong analogies. They know also one thing which you seem to ignore.We have denounced and described our wrong-doings and don't engage in them any longer while Moslems are doing it now under our eyes.

Your optimistic conclusion that in 500 they won't do either (probably because by AD 2500 they ill have demolished, killed and destroyed everything non-Islamic on this planet) is both extremely comic and tragic.It's comic because you promise us a miracle that none of us will see and tragic because you imply that during those 500 years terror against kafirs and books will go on and blood will be shed in rivers if not in oceans.

> Until we, as human beings, recognize that we must be opened to discussion and debate, human society will repeat the same mistakes again and again.<

What will you discuss with your Moslems ? The superiority of Mahomet's teaching over everything else ? This is the starting point you have to admit to have any discussion with Moslems, otherwise their jihad will make you convert to their point of view as history eloquently shows what is to be expected from Moslems when they take over a territory- churches changed into mosques, libraries defiled and burnt and inhabitants terrorized, killed and dispossessed on behalf of new Moslem masters.

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