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The choice between "good" and "evil" is not foreseen in this case.

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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jul 26, 2007 at 18:50

Dear Chris G. , you write :

> Well...I could give up with all the media all the time showing all these crazy Muslims, but I would hardly call the Balkans a hotbed of seething crazy terrorists. Chechnya? Maybe. But Bosnia and Kosovo are quite different.

You should go and see the churches in these places. A few decades more and there will be no traces of Christian civilization in these places. Tomorrow's children will treat as a myth any allegations that these were once ancient Christian lands ... until the US-Moslem jihad in 90-ies of the 2oth century gave them into Moslem hands.

> There are most definitely disturbing signs of Wahhabi influence growing in these regions, but part of that is because WE ARE NOT COUNTERING IT but rather just continuing to justify that Wahhabis are indeed the rightful standard bearers of Islam.

I am not sure if you are aware of the deep involvement and popularity of Iran in the Balkans owing to a mass influx of Iranian arms and mujahedeens in the early 90-ies? By the way , the then US president in person Bill Clinton gave his full consent to conduct that dirty deal using US planes and air bases! On the Balkans all know that . Who does in the West?

> All I ask is that conservatives try to keep an open mind at experimenting with alternatives.

There is no alternative to the truth. Any experimenting must start with that principle. Otherwise it is magic.

> Otherwise what is the logical answer if in fact you are right and that you can not trust a SINGLE Muslim and that their religion is inherently evil???

> How do you get hundreds of millions of Muslims worldwide to abandon their religion that remains a core part of their culture, their history, and their day to day life....more importantly the part that defines in their minds and hearts who they are as human beings? How do you force them reject Islam?

This is a long process. In short, mass conversions back from Islam is the answer to Islam. The precondition to that is a massive repression of all those Moslems who will mind that and will criticize or intimidate the apostates. The candidates for apostasy must feel secure. ANd if they do you'll see the sclae of apostasy.

By the way, the Chinese succeeded in that in Eastern Turkestan. A predominantly Moslem territory will soon lose its few remaining Moslem Uyghurs. True, the Chinese imported many Chinese and used teh on-child-law to stop the demographic Uyghur bomb. The West might follow the Chinese model instead of keeping digging its own grave by allowing the Moslem Fifth Column grow and expand.

> If you have an answer to that, I would be super excited. But I have yet to hear anyone answer that except with one solution: Genocide. Are you prepared to nuke and slaughter hundreds of millions of people? Is this part of God's plan?

Dear Chris, are you really tired of living as a free man? Are you suicidal? Do you want your children and grandchildren to de degraded to the level of brainless disgustful Moslem robots parroting nonsensical phrases as the absolute wisdom? Our posterity deserves a better future than the Moslem madhouse.

I am not sure what God's plans are. He has never cared to state them clearly enough.

I just know that better and prouder nations than most of those now existing on earth have been enslaved and wiped out by Islam. I see that now it is the West's turn to go to the Moslem slaughterhouse. Some say it is no slaughterhouse at all. It is "the house of peace". Look ! The butchers are such nice fellows! Some like you for moral and/or theological reasons even refuse to apply self-defence not to be pushed into that slaughterhous. Has your God killed any self-preservation instinct in you?

> If so I want no part of it and if God says I am evil for not supporting the slaughter of millions of people, then I will gladly accept his punishment and walk with open arms to the gateways of hell if hell exists.

If you think there will be no slaughter because you protest against it , you're totally wrong. There was not a single Moslem conquest without slaughters and massacres, first of the infidels and then inter-Muslim carnage. The choice here between "good" and "evil" is not foreseen.

> And if not... and there is nothing after death, then that will be good to have an end to such a horrible nightmare. When you have lived amongst Muslims, played with their children, had them treat you with most incredible humility and hospitality, listened to their hopes and dreams, their anger, their joy,... and you realize that they are human beings perhaps you and others here might be a little less reluctant to see them as sub-human demon like creatures.

I know such stories like yours from the Balkans or Chechnya. Now go and make the sign of a cross in public in Prezren in Kosovo and you'll see what dreams the Moslem Albanians or Bosniaks are dreaming today. You will say "Few extremists!". Well, if you wanted to arrest all those who are ready to kill for Islam's sake , you would have to arrest probably almost the whole male population and a large part of the female population as well.

As to ending this nightmare, Islam's victory will end nothing. It will only trigger off another nightmare , that of a never-ending civil war within teh victorious ummah. There is enough hatred between all the sects and heresies and Moslem rulers to fuel the bloodshed and assassinations and violence for centuries to come. All Islam's history is a good lesson what sort of "peace" "the religion of peace" is all about.

> At any rate, my hope is that I do not end up just piddling around on moderate forums (or even extremist forums) but that rather I get funding for truly large scale internet counter-propaganda production aimed at a massive audience of Muslims rather then just individuals on web forums... I'm also working on programs involved in deprogramming captured militants in order to turn them and get useful intelligence out of them based upon successful programs in Indonesia and Yemen (although more successful in Indonesia).

I wish you good luck in your efforts, dear Chris , although I am afraid that what you can do with individual Muslims (I don't question the fact that sometimes individual Moslems can be converted back to common sense) will not be possible with Muslim masses where herd dynamics is at work. A single Moslem can be a nice fellow. I agree. But when he is in a Moslem mob he acts just as the herd does. And the herd's instinct is against nice Moslems.

> Anyways.... my main point of even posting here was not to defend Islam, or CAIR, or any of that. It was to show that it is possible to refute Wahhabist brands of Islam that you guys continue to defend as the true Islam. But nobody here seems very interested so I'm probably just spinning my wheels and wasting everyone's time.

Again I don't think wahhabism is the only problem. Islam as such is the problem. The Quran as such is the problem. Muhammad as such is the problem. 1400 years of Moslem history as such are the problem. You can liquidate wahhabism. Can you liquidate the hate verses of the Quran , the abrogation doctrine, the fundamental facts of Muhammad's biography? Can you accomplish that piece of magic? You would need Muhammad to come back and recant all he did to achieve your goal.

> Fortunately I have some good contacts in the U.S. Army and in intelligence that hopefully will hook me up with the funding. (I haven't mentioned everything I am doing research on by the way.)

That sounds intriguing, indeed. If you know somebody in higher places , then with your mastery of psychology you may well be quite successful in getting the funds and organizing the work ahead of you.

> If what I propose doesn't work ah well, at least I gave it my best shot and it won't waste much of the taxpayer's dollars. However if what I propose works.... you will see the shape of counter-terrorism and the war on terror shift dramatically into something never seen before in modern history.

I wish you good luck, dear Chris. If you achieve what 14 centuries of Moslem history hasn't , then I will be the first to convert to your school of thought.

Best,

Ianus

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