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Submitted by Chris Stoess (United States), Nov 26, 2004 at 11:29

"Serious sustained research..." into smaller more accurate nukes to limit fallout. Best used - before Tehran uses one on Tel Aviv, London, or some US city... I lived in Turkey for over a year. In a very rural area, Sinope, were Islam was little changed from the early days of Islam. That way of life is what fundamentalist Islam would bring to all:

Caliph Omar declared in 639, "all books should be destroyed because they will either contradict the Qur'an, in which case they are heresies, or they will agree with it, so they are superfluous." What a wonderful life this would bring us all. Imagine - nothing in your home or life which did not exist in the 7th century!

Moderate muslim is an oxymoron. Suck it up and deal with it.

I believe that Islam is and always will remain a 7th century arabic tribal death cult with bits and pieces from the Torah and New Testament stuck in for cover. No moderation is possible, else it would have to renounce its founder and everything he did and said. And would no longer be Islam but something else.

Reform is impossible, lacking a new prophet to replace/supersede Muhammad.

Deportation is a nice idea but the ACLU would sue everyone. And in the end would only create more Fascists.

They took out our symbols. We take out theirs. They kill 3,000, we kill 3,000,000. Kinder gentler, more sensitive doesn't cut it. War is war - last man standing survives.

Avoiding "civilian" casualties is a nice idea, but only works against entrenched state govs.

Against an ideology only overwhelming willingness to take out everything and everyone associated works. Take WWII Germany and Japan bombings for examples.

If one worries about what some mob in some street thinks, the war is lost and religious police everywhere.

Places like Falluja must be - without warning - carpet-bombed to rubble, flatten by tanks and bulldozers, send in troops to find any survivors - for those holed up in buildings and refusing to surrender have the buildings knocked down by bulldozers. Save our troops from having to enter the buildings and maybe getting injured or killed (a lesson from the Israelis).

Then the area Cobalt-salted so nothing lives or grows there ever again.

Message to all Islamofacists and their silent (moderate) supporters.

Yes, all that is harsh to say now, when so many are so hopeful that somehow some magic wand will wave over Islam. But it won't happen - simply because it has not happened in 1400 years. What makes some imagine that all of a sudden change would happen now is nieve at best.

Meanwhile, talking air-heads, pundits, politicians, and various liberals will blather on while Islamists gather strength from the aforementioned' obvious display of weakness.

Ordinary people who have nice neighbors or friends who are muslims will continue to defend them - and the nice neighbors or friends will continue to remain evasive or silent while working to enact local/national laws, and create exceptions to elevate Islam above all others.

Freedom will only come to the Islamic countries with the absence of Islam (rural Turkey is no more "free" than Saudi Arabia - just try stepping on a lira in public). Freedom as we in the west understand it is anathema to Islam.

As for the sins of Christianity some 400 years ago, and colonialism some 100 years ago - that's the past - get over it.

Who wins if we in the west lose? Men - they get back out exclusive clubs, universities, and all other public establishments; they get multiple wives (is that a plus?).

Who loses if we in the west lose? Women - they get their hair (at the least) covered so as to not inflame men's passions and create civil disorder; they get beaten once a day (at the least) - as they say in Turkey: it just the way of Nature; they get their genitals mutilated, since that area inflames women's emotions and creates strife; they get killed by their family, if they "dishonor" it; they get stoned to death, if they get caught cheating on their husband; and so on.

What will happen in the near future - more of the same. Nothing will change until westerners understand the nature of this war for what it is - and that probably won't happen until some Islamofacist succeeds in killing many more of us in some horrible fashion. Sadly.
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