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Submitted by William East (United States), Jun 6, 2008 at 15:46

Points 1,3,& 5.


Saudi Arabia's religious police stopped schoolgirls from leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress, according to Saudi newspapers.

According to the al-Eqtisadiah daily, firemen confronted police after they tried to keep the girls inside because they were not wearing the headscarves and abayas (black robes) required by the kingdom's strict interpretation of Islam.

One witness said he saw three policemen "beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing the abaya".

I submit to you that only fully voluntary adherence to God's laws counts toward qualifying an individual, a place, a region, a country, or the world as being holy. A bunch of knuckleheaded religious zealots coercing behavior, this includes the wearing of beards, disqualifies Saudia Arabia, and Mecca in particular as being holy. The one thing the Koran demands is sincerity and sincerity requires a FREE response not coeresion. The brand of Islam as practiced in the the "holiest" of places in the islamic world is made wrong through the coersion of free will decision. Now examine this carefully, if the wrong practice of the Koran is being made in it's holiest of places then how much worse are the other venues?

Let me make this perfectly clear: Outward behavior originating from inner sincerity is the true form of submission and any attempt to coerce behavior is evil and satanic.

These things highlight the importance of free will decisions. Even God does not coerce free will but the most depraved muslim is justified and compelled to coerce the behavior of those around him. Strange.

Point 2



There is much to be said about how the act of rape is viewed in the muslim world. The link I have posted is but one of many, many accounts of rape in the muslim world. The muslim point of view toward rape is that, somehow and someway, the woman is responsible.

Point 4

Get witnesses out of your own men, And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them ( two women) errs, the other can remind her.

Suruh 2:282

The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?

I submit to you that the word of a single woman carries the same force as that of a man.

Point 6

I agree with you on this point. Not every form of 'art' is tasteful. Some art qualifies as pure sickness of mind. That person of a clear mind, a mind that is mindful of God, will turn away while others stare. God takes his own account of every act of mankind. He will judge, trust his judgement.

I thank you for your patience. I see high quality in you. I see your greater skill in words exceeds my own abilities. I ask that you understand that as a Christian I am offended my the claims of Mohammed.

Just because Mohammed says something does not make it a fact.

I believe that Jesus Christ was true humanity and undiminished diety and that Christ is the sole means of reconciliation with God. In the Christian Bible, which includes the Torah and other Old Testament books, the prophecy of Christ was introduced and fulfilled over a period of thousands of years. The prophecy of Christ and the fulfillment of his efficacious work is entirely consistent over those thousands of years. I believe that on the day of the final judgement God will observe the gift of His own Righteousness in those that have believed and that all will observe that the sum of every act of 'human righteousness' does not match His own Holiness.

God offers His own Righteousness, His Holiness, to every person. It is gained through the simple act of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ who for our sakes became sin for us that we might prosper through grace, not of works lest any man should boast. And yes, that is God's guidance.

Islam and other religions practice a system of human righteousness and totally reject what Christians believe is God's own work.

I wish you only peace and pray that God's mercy rests upon us all.


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