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Submitted by RPaine (Australia), Aug 25, 2006 at 23:38

Dear Mr. Ghulam Muhammed,

Thank you for your response. To answer your statement that I have "Strange logic," and respond to your implication that I am alone and somehow confused about the facts, I'm going to break it down for maximum clarity.

...but before I get into it, the most desirable outcome would be for all of us to get along and make the world a better place, but that is not the trajectory of events even though we have been extremely patient, and even persistent in our efforts to get along with Muslim populations, who simply have never wanted to join us or get along with us. And as long as Islamic Fascists control Islamic countries and continually blame the West for their own mismanagement, shortcomings and ruthlessness even towards Muslims, Islam is headed towards a lesson in steely determination and backbone. I am always hopeful but will no longer accept feeble arguments from Muslims. The time for negotiations is pretty much gone.

As you said, Ghulam, in your first claim: "This is strange logic coming from RP who puts the onus of all misinformation and disinformation campaigns of the world on Muslims, while it is common knowledge that Muslims do not own or control the world media. ..."


No, I did not say that at all. In fact I said that the media was manipulated by many different groups and that when done effectively this shifted the advantage in favor of the orchestrator – in Hezbollah's case, the deceptor. So I'm just as upset with the media for promoting the disinformation as I am at Hezbollah for orchestrating it. The fact that Muslims are never willing to take responsibility for its actions; its always someone else's fault (the scapegoat, i.e. the US), never something rotten in Islam (why can't you guys police your own?), as well as the double talk like when Muslim spokesman try to confuse the Western populations: "that a suicide bomber is not a true Muslim" but when speaking in Arabic about the same bomber "that young courageous Jihadi Muslim [suicide bomber] is a Martyr, praise be to Allah", or "killing innocent civilians is not permitted by the Koran" yet in Arabic the same Muslim spokesman/Mullah has been known to say "those were not innocent civilians they were agents of the Great Satan."

In fact, there are so many double standards, deceptions ("Taqiyya") that Muslims want us to be blinded to. How about the constant rant about Human Rights for Muslims, yet Muslims are the worst violators of Human Right, killing and humiliating ("Dhimmitude") all non-Muslims in Muslim countries as well as anywhere else that has been generous and welcoming – i.e. Sudan/Darfour, India, Palestine, USA, UK, Australia. Where is the Muslim outrage when Muslims commit crimes against civilians, women and children? How can it be possible that the "moderate majority" are silent at those times? Are you guys afraid to speak, or just supportive of those crimes?

It has been said that terrorists are only a tiny percentage of the Muslim population but I don't buy that as an excuse. This paradigm suggests that the up to 10% of Muslims who are "Radical" are somehow out of the norm or off-track, but in reality these are the ones who have chosen to be warriors which means that they are the military of Islam. This suggests that Islam has 100 to 150 million soldiers; and the US has 1.5 million soldier or so. So, I ask you Ghulam, who is begging for a fight here?

What I didn't get into in my original comments and I should have is that Muslims are making a big mistake, and that is that you all have mistaken kindness for weakness when it comes to the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, the West generally. The Muslims are counting on us falling over in guilt, in fear and/or in weakness. Do you really see us as fools? Please don' judge us from our TV programs or our moving, for that is not reality.

The major issue we have in resolving this issue with Islam is that the West is divided on how to solve it. Some think that appeasement is the answer (i.e. Jimmy Carter) yet others believe that Islam must be confronted. The fact of the matter is that appeasement has been counter productive, in Irans case it has allowed a predatory regime to become established that indanders all parts of the Middle East and as to North Korea it has made the whole globe more dangerous for us and our children; appeasement has only emboldened the Islamic Fascist mentality – like some sort of sick contest to see who can do the most damage to the West, Israel, the United States, etc. Make no mistake, we are pissed off negotiations just turn into deceptions, making us out to be fools - we ready for war!

The mistake the West has made is to believe that we are all operating in essentially the same paradigm, which based on the Judeo-Christian teaching of "individual choice and freedom are paramount" and that each individual will have to answer to their God when they pass on. We don't offer 72 virgins for people to commit murder suicide, Martyrdom. Of course, these beliefs are not possible in Islam, I am convinced, because the way that Islam interpreted or driving events has the need to CONTROL ALL and control of others (especially all non-Muslims, including organizations, religions, countries, etc.).

Freedom is the biggest threat to Islam's absolute control of its Muslim slave populations, is it not?. And if you might want to suggest that it is unfair for me to refer to Muslims as slaves then consider the facts that Muslims do not have choice – i.e. "Honor Killing" where fathers (or brother) often kill the daughters (or sister) if she marries a non-Muslim male, or the fact that even the Koran states that it is incumbent upon any/all Muslim to kill a Muslim who changes his/her religion to (say) Christianity ("Apostacy"). Where is your freedom in this?

Furthermore, every facet of a Muslim's life is ultimately controlled through fear. This is SLAVERY, absolutely! The opposite is true about Christianity or Judeo-Christian based legal systems, the individual may have certain laws which he/she must follow but the rest is up to him/her to freely choose through out life - their partner in marriage, their career, where they live, if they go to church or not, what they eat, etc. This understanding of freedom is something that is obvious to us but alien to the un-free souls of Islam: to us, freedom means being free to choose, not free to obey!

As you said, Ghulam, in your second claim: "The point that Dr. Pipes wants to highlight: how this all had happened that the enemy --- here Hezbollah --- is being painted in glowing colors by world media and the angels in Israel are demonised."


Yes, Dr. Pipes did refer to Hezbollah, but Hezbollah is only one face/head to the multi headed beast of Islamic Fascism. Hezbollah, which is only one appendage of the whole enemy (Islamic Fascism), has hijacked truth in the information flow by controlling the media in Lebanon (the media that remained truthful were not given access or kidnapped, i.e. FoxNews team, Mr. Steve Centanni and Mr. Olaff Wiig - there should be Arab outrage over this kidnapping because here Muslims are creating more resolve in the American population...release them now! Due to political opportunism many media companies (i.e. Al Jazeera, BBC, Reuters, MSM, etc.) have jumped to use this warped information in their broadcasts because it suited their political position…the UN, France and the Arab League, etc. have also jumped onto the bandwagon and pushed to legitimize this disinformation (staged photos, etc.) because it suits their politics.

So, Ghulam, my patience has waned when it comes to listening to one sided arguments. We believe in transparency, which means that when we make a mistake we admit to it and when one of our people does something wrong we police it and fix it. Until Islam can also learn to be evenhanded in its approach to its own actions. The Middle East which once boasted a wonderful diversity which included Islam and Christianity, exotic paradise, and until Islam reforms itself - accepts diversity and is willing to learn responsibility - unfortunately, it looks like our conflict will escalate.

The ball is in your court.



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