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Submitted by Doc Tater (United States), Feb 12, 2008 at 15:21

Susan,

There are lots of references I've run across, many of which come from sources that are often labelled "neo-conservative" or "pro-Zionist" by liberal academia, according to their assumption that such labels discredit the sources they are applied to, but which I find to be quite credible. Off the top of my head (away from my home library at the moment), I'd like to suggest you start with "Why I Left Jihad" by Walid Shoebat, who apparently grew up as a bomb-throwing young Palestinian jihadist on the path to becoming a shahid, and who claims his family was visited at home by none other than the Grand Mufti al Husseini in the 1930's or 1940's. The World War II Nazi connection to today's "Palestinians", who at that time consisted of Muslims under the sway of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, is also delved into by Walid Shoebat. That should prime your pump, and get you going in the right direction.

Oh, and look at the new, longer version of the documentary film "Obsession". I think it lasts 77 minutes now. A nice review of the origins of today's "Palestinians" is part of the documentary.

Please understand me. Even though I'm suggesting a book, and that book ends with a bunch of prophetic scripture discussions, I am not taking a pro or con position on any of the discussions of scripture or prophesy. Going into all that stuff does little more than make me tired, and burns up time I'd rather spend in other ways, and doesn't seem to help me understand what I feel I should understand. I'm just discussing all this from the point of view of history, modern and recent and ancient. I don't believe every word by every author or every scholar must be useful to find use from some of the words of some authors and some scholars.

Maybe some of the other blog participants would like to offer Susan some references to the demographic origins of the people who today are labelled "Palestinians". This might be fun.

In response to your other comments, it is clear that Israel needs all the allies she can find, Susan. Having said that, it should be stated that America needs all the allies she can find. There are no reasons why Zionist Jews and other pro-Israel persons can't find alliances with Christians, anywhere in the world. I know some people who are conservative Christians, and they have found natural allies among some deeply mystical and scholarly Jews. They even get together to compare notes and to celebrate their spiritual and ideological kinship.

Looking at the news today, considering the question of who is an ally of whom in the struggle to survive global jihad, it would be safe to state that Israel has an ally in East Timor's Prime Minister Gusmao (literally a world away from Israel), who just survived an assassination attempt without a scratch in the ongoing struggle to save (Christian) East Timor from being re-over-run by the Islamists who have already murdered 1/3 the population of East Timor in the last 25 years or so. The best history of Gusmao's role as poet and leader of the freedom fighting Christians in East Timor (complete with historic photos) that I've found was in a magazine that many people would dismiss as suspiciously conservative and "redneck" (interestingly, an old term of opprobrium that the English used to insult the Scots-Irish, that was used long before they made it to the colonies in America), but the article was terrific. I checked the facts in that article against other sources, and was satisfied that the facts were credible and accurate. Sources are where you find them. Be a good historian, and do your cross-refencing.

We will survive by hanging together, or we will surely be hung alone.

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