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The library of Alexandria and attention our dear scottindallas al-tablighee

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jun 12, 2012 at 12:23

Hi GIK

I can almost write a book about Muslim historians and their blatant fraud and lies and the fate of the library of Alexandria

Oh scottindallas he is here to do his little bogus da3wa but he does not know anything about what really happened

"...Look, you're simply wrong. ..... The Christians destroyed the Great Library at Alexandria, "

This is typical tablighhe bogus thinking headlines but no substance

A world first discovery then! So after all this time, it wasn't Julius Caesar

You are correct and for those of you not familiar with Alexandria in late antiquity the so called Mother Library was located in the Brochion distirct of the city which was located in the seaside area between the great harbor and the Jewish district of the city not far from the Agora and the Via Canopica and this great library was the buildings and the books and we know that the buildings were destoyed in the fighting where indeed Julius Caesar was involved and this was about 42BCE and there was no Christianity as of yet

Now what happened to the books? we really do not know but I suspect that with Hellenism such a great force at the time that many of these books have survived the destruction and with the great dry climate of Egypt papyri can last for ever and indeed we do have many copies of books (mostly fragments) that were located in the digs at Oxyrhnchus in Upper Egypt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyrhynchus_Papyri

So far scottindallas' claim is bogus

The smaller library was located in the complex of the Serapeum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serapeum and Serapis was a hybrid God of the Bull God Apis and the great Egyptian God Osiris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serapis

Now around 391CE a Christian mob attacked and destroyed the huge temple of Serapis and in the process they sustained massive destruction to the compound and the reason is that the teachings of the fathers of the Christian Church in Alexandria were anti-Pagan not unlike Islam and I'm sure that the God of islam would have been happy to see his followers destroying a pagan temple right our dear scottindallas if you are reading this?

Now we know what happened to the building and indeed if you visit Alexandria and not very far from the area called Mehatat al-Raml which is the downtown district you will find the Greco-Roman Museum and the ruins of the Serapeum which was located in the Rakoti district (rakoti is the Egyptian name of Alexandria and in the late antique period it was where native Egyptians lived)

So we know what happend to the buildings

How about the books? There is no doubt that not just pagans but Jews and Christians (see Haas' Alexandia in late antiquity) were able to unite in one area and that is thier appreciation of Greek learning and indeed many of these books survived and many of them ended in Constantinole and even in Baghdad and we know that in the 8th and 9th century Nestorians in baghdad were translating complete texts of Greek work (eg: Ptolemy which Allah seems to have read and his geocentric cosmology) from Greek to Syriac then to Arabic and the Greek and Coptic sources tell us that these books were not even in the library at the time of the attack in 391CE and they were sent to Constantinople by George of Cappadocia some 30 years before the attack

And to add insult to injury those Nestorians the likes of Hunien Ibn Ishaq Arabized many of these Greek words that did not exist in Arabic the likes of tuhal and safra and balgham and in the process changed the Arabic language

or Caliph Omar or anybody else - it was 'the Christians' . Believe it , ScottinDallas tells us so.

Now enter the bogus islamic historical tradition (and if Ianus is reading this this as per Noth this is another motif) so we are told by Ibn Abd al-Hakam and by abu al-Faraj and later on by al-maqrizi "great" and revered Arab historians and I quote:

there was a man who won high renown among muslims named John the grammarian (read this as John Philoponous) he was an alexandrian and apparently had been a coptic priest but was deprived of his office owing to some heresy by a council of bishops held at Babylon (this is the fortress that is the site of the old city of Masr which is located in the now area of Old Cairo) he lived to see the capture of Alexandria by the arabs and made acquaintance of Amr whose clear and active mind was no less astonished than delighted with John's intellectual acuteness and great learing embilded by Amr's favor John one day remarked you have examined the whole city and you have set your seal on every kind of valiable i make no claim for anything that is useful to you but things useless to you may be of service to us"

Sounds interesting so far but the problem is this all bogus because John Philoponus was long dead before the Arab invasion of Egypt

Oh there is more

now we go back to the little bogus conversation between a man that was already dead by 642CE and Amr ibn al-As the invader of Egypt

"what are you thinking of" said Amr "the books of wisdom" said John "which are in the imperial treasuries"

So notice that John who was long dead is telling Amr ibn al-As that the books were seized by the Muslim invaders of Egypt

What a disaster so are you reading this our dear scottindallas al-tablighee?

Oh it gets better:

that replied Amr is a matter on which i can give no order without the authority of the caliph

Oh darn it here comes Omar ibn al-Khatab so back to this little chat

"a letter accordingly was written putting the question to Omar who answered

Oh this is a gem

touching the books you mention if what is written in them agrees with the book of Allah they are not required if it disagrees they are not desired

and here it comes

THEN DESTROY THEM (THE BOOKS)

So it seems that your islamic sources our dear scottindallas tells us that it was Omar ibn al-Khatab aka Omar al-Farooq is the one who ordered the destruction of these books

Oh there is more then we are told

"Amr accordingly ordered the books to be disributed among the baths (oh i forgot our dear scottindallas tells us that Muslims invented the baths!) of Alexandria and used as fuel for heating"

What a disaster

Oh and the fraud goes on this same story appears in the history of the destruction of the great Zoroastrain libraries

So should we kuffar believe Muslim histotians our dear scottindallas or not/

But the funny thing is it was kuffar Christian historians that proved that this story was fraud

But again we are dealing with the biggest literary fraud in the history of mankind and that is the Islamic historical tradition

What next in the muslim rewriting of the history of people's and lands subjugated by islamic marauders or the wonders of islamic science - maybe genetic modification of horses to enable them to fly and have peacock feathered tails?

I agree with you

Now do i think that scottindallas will get it? Not really

Submitting....

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