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A very memorable post from Mansoor. Paraphrasing the Prophet's "I bring you slaughter"

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Submitted by Plato (India), Mar 11, 2008 at 06:49

Mansoor,

As pointed out earlier, you have quickly reverted to type. Mansoor, check back and read how Muslims on this blog start off all reasonable and when the stark truth about their religion is exposed they either quietly disappear from the forum (the majority) or come back with blood-curdling threats, bombastic claims about past achievements and the glorious future that their phantom god has promised.

The future includes booty that Muslims will capture from infidels as was promised to the Companions: 48:19 And much booty that they will capture. Allah is mighty , Wise. 48: Allah promiseth you much booty that ye will capture. The mightly, Wise (??) Allah promises you much booty.

Gullible Muslims believe this and also this phantom's promise of eternal paradise for killing and getting killed (9:111)

>>Your belief itself is standing on story book characters, that's why you are unable to understand the seriousness of divine revelations.<<

So what are the characters in the Koran? How real do you think they are? Allah is real? The dog-fearing Gabriel is real? He once visited the prophet riding a donkey and wearing a brocade turban!? Solomon talking to ants and birds is real? Jinns standing shoulder on shoulder to listen to the Grand council of Allah is real? Moses parting the sea is real? How different are they from Zeus, Athena, Pegasus? Are your Koranic characters any different from the ones you find in Alice in Wonderland. It is time you stepped out of your Islamic wonderworld and entered the real world.

Seriousness of divine revelations? Are we supposed to be in awe of these comic-book characters. The Supeman in the Koran says He has previously destroyed whole towns and people. And He holds out the threat to do so again if people do not believe his tall claims.

>> Muslims are born to rule the world and enforce the Law of Allah (SWT).<<

More typical Muslim bombast.

>> The present era of Muslims is an eyeopener for Muslims themselves because what Allah told us about the attitude of non-believers towards us has been experienced in all conformity with the divine and sacred verses of Quran the glorious.<<

Why did not Muslims believe Allah when He told them about the ‘attitude' of the non-believers. Those Muslims had no faith in Allah's words. Do the divine verses you talk about include 9:28,9:29 and 9:111 which show the attitude of Allah towards non-believers and by association Muslims?

>> The only mistake Muslims did was to take some sigh of rest after conquering and commanding almost 60% of the whole world. Islam spread like wild fire of a forest.<<

So why are you complaining when people of other faiths RE-CONQUERED lands they had lost to Muslim invaders. Spain, Israel, India for instance. Why do you scream injustice when they put out the wild fires you had set in their territories. Do you consider that once you conquer a piece of land it becomes yours forever?

>> At present Muslims are undergoing a very positive phase of revival. The teeth breaking defeat of Israel by Hizbollah at Lebanon ……The Muslims are ready with sleeves rolled up and their eyes are again filled with hot red penetrating looks, there hands are tightened by the fist of iron and their hearts are ready to eat bullets to win the paradise.<<

More Muslim bombast. Can you see us shaking in our boots and sandals?

Verses 3:151 and 3:152. So what happened to context now Mansoor? You are always complaining that unbelievers tear verses out of context to misrepresent Islam.

If you know your tafsir these two verses refer to the rout of the Muslims at Uhud because of the greed of some of the Companions of the prophet.

The prophet is disappointed and angry with his followers for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Why did Muhammad's followers go for the booty before ensuring victory? Because booty was the driving force behind the following he gained in Madina. Remember the number of caravans your prophet looted in his lifetime. He conveniently gets some ayat that admonish them for their greed and blames Shaitan for their venality. Read a little further (3:166) and you find Allah saying this was with his permission. Does this mean he permitted Saitan to tempt them? So naturally Allah like an indulgent father forgives them for their greed.

>>"In the light of above verse I can see the fear in the eyes of the disbelievers, because they are beginning to lose...and its visible...and I am happy!!!<<

These two verses you have torn out of context is merely talking about the Uhud disaster. Allah (that is Muhammad) is trying to placate his followers for the defeat they suffered by admonishing them for their greed and blaming it all on Shaitan. But control freak that Allah is, several verses later He forgets all about Shaitan and says the defeat happened with his permission. Why are you using them to frighten us?

>>[2:190] Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight you, and do not transgress. Verily, Allah does not like the transgressors. [2:191] Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, as Fitnah (to create disorder) is more severe than killing.<<

Don't Muslims incessantly claim when infidels quote this killer verse that they refer only to the Quraish who had driven the prophet, deservedly for insulting their religion and customs, out of Mecca.

Mansoor, now if what you are trying to imply with these verses is that they have an eternal meaning then infidels like me can point out that we can now legitimately drive you out from places like Israel, India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. You drove us out from these places, we want to drive you out by the permission of Allah. Or are Allah messages applicable only to Muslims?

>>When the real war will start the Muslims will not show any mercy this time. Our hands would not stop until all disbelievers behave …and behave well..

We have once again understood very clearly that we are allowed to crush those who came in front of the imposition of "Allah's Law the Sharia". We are to stay and we Muslims are here to rule….better wait and watch…buddy!!!<<

This shows you have learned the art of threatening bloodshed. You had a very good teacher in your Prophet. Once when he was a Meccan he told the Quraish "I bring you slaughter" and I am trembling in my socks already.

When have Muslims ever shown mercy to the unbelievers. We expect no mercy from you. When unbelievers say that Muslims are merciless why do some Muslims (maybe not you) protest loudly that Islam is a peac-loving religion? How can we expect mercy from Islam when we know that Sharia means chopping off even children's hands for theft, stoning to death for an act of love. You have proven your mercilessness in Afghanistan, in India, in Africa. We don't need any further proof.

Regards

Plato

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