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Ahmed, Please dont try to pull wool over my eyes

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Submitted by Ali Khalaf (United States), Feb 1, 2008 at 17:01

Ahmed: Your reply is a typical "pulling the wool over infidel eyes". I am a 65 year old ex- muslim who spreaks arabic and know islamic scriptures like the back of my hands so please dont try that trick on me. It works only on western leftists and liberal gullibles.

- Where did you read "unbeliever" means non thinker?.

- Mohammed pussyfoot the christians and jews in earlier days when he was weak. and had few followers. The few pussy footing and kind ayas are from that period like "there is no compulsion in religion (the most popular "fool the infidels" aya of the islamic apologists). Same Mohammed who said "there is no compulsion in religion" changed his words and later pulled the following gems:

3.85 "Whoever followeth any other religion than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him"

8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."

Bukhari:V4B52N260 "Kill any muslim who discards islam"

4.74 So, when you meet those who disbelieve , smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them,

"The Prophet said, 'If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.'" 4.168 "Those who reject [Islamic] Faith, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to any path except the way to Hell, to dwell therein forever "Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends." 4.114"He who disobeys the Apostle after guidance has been revealed will burn in Hell."

33.64 "Verily Allah has cursed the Unbelievers [whom he defines as Christians in the 5th surah] and has prepared for them a Blazing Fire to dwell in forever"

5.10 "Those who reject, disbelieve and deny Our signs, proofs and verses will be companions of Hell-Fire."

72:15 "The disbelievers are the firewood of hell."

The list is too long.

For your info 9.5 is from the last and final sura , and abrogates 159 earlier pussyfooting ayas like "there is no compulsion in religion" according tp top earlier islamic authrities. I hope you know that Allah kept changing mind and abrogating ayas as Mohammed became stronger. Here is the aya:

2.106. Whatever communications We abrogate , We bring one better than it .

16.101 We put one revelation in place of another revelation, - and Allah knoweth best

Yes My dear Ahmed Allah abrogated your favourite tool of deception 2.256 by ayas 3.85, 9.5 and many more as I quoted. I suggest you study your religion after exams. Yes you should read hadiths ,and original siras for context. You will be surprised that context is much bloodier than th haphazzard hodge podge and sketchy Quran. Mohammed was very brutal person who killed pillaged and raped.

Here is another sahih hadith .:

Bukhari , Volume 5, Book 59, Number 362:

Narrated Ibn Umar:

Prophet then killed their men ( about 900) and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims, but some of them who came to the Prophet, and embraced Islam, got saved. (so much f"or no comulsion in religion").

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