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Submitted by true believer (India), Jul 3, 2006 at 11:37

Genesis 18:20 deals with God's curse on Sodom and Gomorrah and not with Ishmael's future.

Gen 18:20 Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous.

I am sure you meant the verses given below, though most of your quotes do not match

Gen 25:13 And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to
their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,
Gen 25:14 And Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa,
Gen 25:15 Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah:
Gen 25:16 These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by
their castles; twelve princes according to their nations.

This is what the Bible says about Ishmael.

Gen 16:8 And He said, "Hagar, Sarai's maid, where have you come from, and where are you going?"
She said, "I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai."
Gen 16:9 The Angel of the LORD said to her, "Return to your mistress, and submit yourself under her hand."
Gen 16:10 Then the Angel of the LORD said to her, "I will multiply your descendants exceedingly,
so that they shall not be counted for multitude."
Gen 16:11 And the Angel of the LORD said to her: " Behold, you are with child,
And you shall bear a son.You shall call his name Ishmael,
Because the LORD has heard your affliction.

Gen 16:12
He shall be a wild ass of a man;
His hand shall be against every man,And every man's hand against him.
And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren"

Quoted here are the Bible verses from the book of Genesis which clearly states that Issac will inherit Abraham's legacy.

Gen 21:8 So the child grew and was weaned. And Abraham made a great feast on the same day that Isaac was weaned.
Gen 21:9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she had borne to Abraham, scoffing.
Gen 21:10 Therefore she said to Abraham, "Cast out this bondwoman and her son; for the son of this bondwoman shall not be
heir with my son, namely with Isaac."
Gen 21:11 And the matter was very displeasing in Abraham's sight because of his son.
Gen 21:12 But God said to Abraham, "Do not let it be displeasing in your sight because of the lad or because of your bondwoman. Whatever Sarah has said to you, listen to her voice; for in Isaac your seed shall be called.
Gen 21:13 Yet I will also make a nation of the son of the bondwoman, because he is your seed."


Quoted below are the Bible verses from the book of Genesis which talk about Abraham sacrificing Issac. If you observe the actual chapter numbers of this quote and the above one, the chapter mentioning sacrifice of Issac follows the chapter dealing with casting away of Hagar and Ishmael by Abraham. So logically Abraham could not have sacrificed Ishmael after driving him away.

Gen 22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.
Gen 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Gen 22:6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together.
Gen 22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together

Quotes in the New Testament Bible from the book of Galatians regarding Issac and Ishmael.

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Hagar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


Now moslems always accuse Jews and Christians of tampering with the Bible simply beacuse Bible contains the truth that is very inconvenient to Islam. This rest I call it as Islamofantasy.

You can go to www.biblegateway.com for to confirm the above verses.

Finally to all.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

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