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Submitted by Sayitlikeitis (South Africa), Feb 2, 2010 at 08:58

Hi Chris (Australia)

I feel really left out in the cold here because I don't know what it is that you are talking about, especially given the fact that I did not see the program you saw on Cable TV that led you to believe all the mumbo jumbo about the so called 'false Quraan's' that Muslims have or had in their possession. So I will re-insert your comment so other readers can have an Idea of what we are talking about here.

Submitted by Chris (Australia), Feb 1, 2010 at 04:06

I actually saw this show on cable TV and they had this- "Kill the infidels (Jews and Christians) and other non-believers wherever you find them,
and so on. In brakets, JEWS AND CHRISTIANS after infidel!!! But then again that was apparently the corrupt books these crazy muslims are giving out to everyone and the show was about some guy reading the REAL holly book, the uncorrupt one and translating it... but then again was it ever a "good" and "peaceful" book to begin with? Were the muslims following the same corrupt book when they invaded all those countries and killed all those people many many years ago??? It's that the excuse today? Maybe it is a good book to murderers and animal fanciers because the book justifies all that. Is that what you call a holy book??? LOL.

So Chris, have you ever read the real translational Quraan? Because I don't know if a false Quraan exists, I certainly have not come across this so called fabricated false Quraan and would like to see one. So before you and others who may have seen this anti-Islam show on Cable TV and think it to be true? Ask them to show you this so called false Quraan, so you and others like me can check it out? Wow! Or do you think that is too much to be asked? Anyone producing a show like this should have the proof, don't you think? So if they are truthful, you should not have any difficulty securing a copy of this false Quraan now would you? What are you waiting for? Chris, give those honest and truthful people a try and ask them to send you and everyone else that proof so all of us can start believing.

"Kill the infidels (Jews and Christians) and other non-believers wherever you find them,

?????????????????????

Dear readers, I have answered this false claim in 2008 on this very website (danielpipes.org) when I responded to someone called Doug, but it is obvious that our new friend here namely 'Chris' has found a new way to sow discord and confusion by introducing the false notion that these verses may have come from a false Quraan that is being distributed by Muslims themselves, Na-Oethoe-Billah!!! How gullible can you get, by allowing your misperception of Islam to be fed by such utter non-sense and without proof…Hello!!! I can truthfully say that no such Quraan is being distributed by the true believers of Islam. I know of a story I read some years back, about a Church that was behind producing and printing false Quraan's that was written by themselves and then placed on bookshelves somewhere in England. (I can be quoted on this) But Muslims quickly identified these false books and had them removed.

So if there is a so called false Quraan in circulation, then it is being distributed by anti Islamic individuals and not by Muslims. There is no way I am going to call you a liar Chris, only that you have been lied to.

Think about this, God orders us to invite every soul to Islam, so what would we gain (except Hellfire) if Muslims were to produce a Quraan that turns every soul against God? Does it conclude or make sense to you??? So do you really want answers? Download a series currently on YouTube called 'The Arrivals' This will answer most of your questions. You will thank me later. For the reader who may have missed my answer to Doug in 2008 here is a copy.

Submitted by Doug Corrigan (United States), Apr 17, 2008 at 13:48

This gentleman is truly one disturbed and irrational individual. Only a fool could be a moslem in the first place; only a real truth-twister could believe that islam can be reconciled with American ideals of freedom of speech and religion.

"Kill the Jews and Christians and other non-believers wherever you find them, for their rejection of islam is worse than your slaughter of them," (koran 2-191) is not a sentiment that fits easily into the American Constitution.

Submitted by sayitlikeitis (South Africa), May 7, 2008 at 20:33

... I really don't know where you get your information from but it was definitely not from the Holy Quraan!

When people like yourself start Quoting the Holy Quraan totally out of context and use your own words or the extracted words from some other Islam hater then you tend to miss-inform and confuse a potentially sincere seeker of the truth.

Here is your false quote that you say is from the Holy Quraan:

"Kill the Jews and Christians and other non-believers wherever you find them,
for their rejection of islam is worse than your slaughter of them," (koran 2-191)

Here is the same verse from the Holy Quraan( Yusuf Ali Translation) But I am including verse 190 -191-192 to193 so it can be read in full context : ( Bismillah-Hir-Raghmaan-Nir-Ragheem)

V.190. Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; For God loveth not transgressors.

V.191. And slay them Wherever you catch them, And turn them out from where they have turned you out; For tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter ; But fight them not at the Sacred Mosque; Unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, Slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

V.192. But if they cease, God is often forgiving, most Merciful.

V.193. And fight them on Until there is no more Tumult or oppression, And there prevail Justice and Faith in God; But if they cease, Let there be no hostility Except to those who practice oppression.

These verses were given at a time when the enemies of Islam were at war with the Muslims in the time of the Prophet Muhammad (Alayhis-Salaam).

Anyone who has a copy of Yusuf Ali Translational Quraan can quickly cross check me on these verses. Nowhere is it saying anything about killing Jews or Christians.

sayitlikeitis.

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