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Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kafiristan (Australia), Aug 8, 2009 at 00:37

As an explanation of Mr. Ahmad's original statement "Abandon Islam, abandon Islam". Come and make me, ... unless you're too scared ... to do so. I live in Florida. Prove that I am wrong and come to me unarmed. I am also unarmed. ..."

...Mr. Ahmad writes :

" .. I was never resorting to violence! I was merely challenging another ... who kept repeating the same old tired, stupid mantra to "abandon Islam". Like it would have any effect.'

So, let's get this clear. You weren't resorting to violence - you were inviting a person to Florida to discuss facets of Islam over a cup of coffee then? The fact that you bring in the phrase '.....unless you're too scared' and '...and come to me unarmed. I am also unarmed. ..." has nothing to do with a suggestion of some physical challenge does it?

How could anyone even think that was what was meant?

"....As for Wafa Sultan, if that's what she really said, she has lost all credibility with me."

Yes - that's what she really said - and the gunning down in cold blood of people that she knew by Islamists on a mission from Allah was what she witnessed first hand. If the same had happened - or does happen to you - would you still hold the same attitudes ? Does anybody who disagrees with what you currently believe to be true loses all credibility with you? Is that more especially if that person is an ex- Muslim or do they draw special ire? The thing is - there are many, many ex-Muslims with similar tales. Why is that?

"I know what I was raised with. And so were many other Muslims like myself. "

What she is basically saying is that the Islamic system of belief is a psychosocial disease. She's not bagging Muslims per se. Each person is an individual. I'm sure there's many good people who are Muslims simply because they have no choice to be otherwise. And of course there are those people who live in free societies where they are allowed to have that chouce but cling to their beliefs for various reasons - acceptance and power within their sub culture because they can't make it in the wider community. Or perhaps just because they are comfortable with the Muslim status quo.

"For Wafa Sultan to lump us all together in one anti-Western bundle is incredibly puerile of her, and ... of you to buy into it."

That is your opinion of what she has said. Which specific parts do you object to?

"...Go educate yourself before getting back to me."

Educated on what? How many lessons does one need to draw the inference that Muslim beliefs cause many individuals in many parts of the world to start exhibiting increasingly destructive patterns of behaviour that endanger the lives of unrelated human beings? If islamic beliefs help you live your life - that's great for you. But unfortunately other muslims draw different conclusions from reading the same material. In their eyes - you are the deluded one. Any different interpretation is seen as 'revisionism' . One of myriad of recent examples of the intractible nature of the Islamist beast

- http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009\08\07\story_7-8-2009_pg7_30

and the hypocrisy of moderate muslims:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jonathanwynne-jones/100005577/archbishop-condemns-persecution-of-christians-while-muslims-stay-quiet/

Surprisingly - we don't hear or see similar stories from apopleptic Buddhist, Jews, Sikhs, Jains, Hindus, Bahais, Christians or atheists for that matter. Why would that be? Why are they also not so collectively agrieved and donning suicide vests, setting bombs in hotels, restaurants and public places? Or as has just come to light in my own country - setting up an attack on a military base in the country they've lived in and been supported by for decades?

To dismiss them as all isolated incidents and nothing to do with the 'real' islam (whatever that may be) is a facile argument and does not address the crux of the matter. However well-intentioned 'good' muslims are - there are tracts in their scriptures which can easily be 'misinterpreted' by those with the inclination to find an reason at all to harm their perceived enemies.

BTW, this is a public forum - and comments are meant for public consumption - not necessarily as a reply to any points you have made.

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Bunch of hypocrites [88 words]JimJul 30, 2009 14:14159237
RE. Jim [592 words]Nabil AhmadJul 31, 2009 12:30159237
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Our dear Nabil and Islam [277 words]dhimmi no moreAug 1, 2009 08:46159237
Our dear Nabil and the absurd [1746 words]dhimmi no moreAug 1, 2009 09:55159237
Our Constitution is being trashed by our Marxist President [187 words]TimothyAug 1, 2009 12:53159237
Muhammad [106 words]JimAug 1, 2009 18:49159237
I agree with you... [24 words]Nabil AhmadAug 1, 2009 21:31159237
To dhimmi no more... [466 words]Nabil AhmadAug 1, 2009 22:21159237
Jim... [254 words]Nabil AhmadAug 1, 2009 22:36159237
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Arabic in this blog and our dear Nabil [224 words]dhimmi no moreAug 2, 2009 20:57159237
1Our dear Nabil and teaching one tablighee at a time [1647 words]dhimmi no moreAug 3, 2009 07:09159237
I wasn't addressing you here, "dhimmi no more" [110 words]Nabil AhmadAug 3, 2009 12:17159237
1Our dear Nabil has no answers because he does not know any Arabic and that is the truth [328 words]dhimmi no moreAug 4, 2009 06:39159237
... wasting your time. [107 words]Nabil AhmadAug 4, 2009 12:18159237
Dhimmi no more [115 words]Nabil AhmadAug 4, 2009 13:04159237
Nabil [471 words]JimAug 4, 2009 15:44159237
1More drivel from our dear Nabil [408 words]dhimmi no moreAug 4, 2009 18:58159237
ask those who know [753 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanAug 4, 2009 22:59159237
Our dear Nabil is a careless reader [441 words]dhimmi no moreAug 5, 2009 07:05159237
You're still missing the big picture [326 words]Nabil AhmadAug 5, 2009 12:18159237
Your ignorance knows no bounds [140 words]Nabil AhmadAug 5, 2009 12:29159237
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Your futility knows no bounds ... [108 words]Nabil AhmadAug 6, 2009 12:10159237
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Poor, poor Dhimmi Forever [327 words]Nabil AhmadAug 8, 2009 10:34159237
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To Grand Infidel [179 words]Nabil AhmadAug 9, 2009 01:28159237
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Here's my answer... [129 words]Nabil AhmadAug 10, 2009 12:34159237
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top marks for pragmatism [251 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanAug 11, 2009 02:58159237
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the 'divine inspiration' [397 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanAug 12, 2009 17:39159237
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You again [41 words]Nabil AhmadAug 22, 2009 21:42159237
Don't patronize me, [74 words]Nabil AhmadAug 22, 2009 21:45159237
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Our dear so called nabil [84 words]dhimmi no moreAug 31, 2009 19:52159237
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Excuse of "context" !!! [87 words]JaladhiSep 1, 2009 16:57159237
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Nenette .......please do a little research on Karl Marx [369 words]TimothySep 19, 2009 21:30159237
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Now, now... [62 words]Nabil AhmadAug 1, 2009 21:52159236
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I beg to differ [174 words]Nabil AhmadAug 4, 2009 12:11159236
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Not a true Muslim, Ahmed [134 words]DinAug 8, 2009 08:07159236
No matter what I do or say, you won't be convinced [183 words]Nabil AhmadAug 9, 2009 01:13159236
You don't know jack, Din [187 words]Nabil AhmadAug 9, 2009 01:42159236
Good observations Sara... [633 words]Wana88Aug 10, 2009 11:50159236
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lies and more [103 words]SamuelSep 11, 2009 05:37159236
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Islamists and the Constitution [618 words]dhimmi no moreJul 24, 2009 07:35159220
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