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Amin Riaz: Something more for you to have a belly laugh

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Submitted by Plato (United Kingdom), Jul 18, 2009 at 06:15

Riaz, you write,
>>Take the above quote - So what do you civilised people call barabaric? When you spectacularly bomb Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq? And your democratically chosen goverment goes on a mass killing spree? So you are people of peace?<<
While you were about it why did you not bring in World War I and II and the Nazi killing of Jews (just Jewish propaganda, right?), the millions of death caused by Stalin, hundreds of thousands killed by Pol Pot?
Interestingly you have not said anything about the hundreds of thousands of Bengalee Muslims killed by Pakistani Muslims, the million Muslims killed in the Iran-Iraqi war, the continuing human disaster being inflicted on Darfuri Muslilims by Sudanese Muslims, the suppression of Kurdish Muslims in Muslim Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria or the pogroms against the quasi-Muslim Ahmadiyas in Pakistan and Bahais in Iran.
It seems you do not want to wash your dirty linen in public. Now is it civilized behaviour when Muslims kill Muslims in the hundreds of thousands?
>> If you count the number of dead - a hell of a lot more people died at the hands of Non-Muslims killing Muslims then other way around.<<
Open this article in Danielpipes which gives some modern statistics on modern killings:
http://www.danielpipes.org/4990/arab-israeli-fatalities-rank-49th
Here is an extract from it:
"…In a different perspective, some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims."
If you were referring to the statistics since religions began then what Muslims did in India alone should open your eyes.
Will Durant, the world-renowned historian writes:
"The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good,..whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within."

Koenraad Elst , the german historian writes in "Negation in
India"

The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of
Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter. The Bahmani sultans (1347-1480) in central India made it a rule to kill 100,000 captives in a single day, and many more on other occasions. The conquest of the Vijayanagar empire in 1564 left the capital plus large areas of Karnataka depopulated. And so on.

As a contribution to research on the quantity of the Islamic crimes against humanity, we may mention that the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of
Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate). http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=889_1236976781
You will probably dismiss these historians as crusder types out to slander Islam. But I suggest you read the history of Islam of Islam written by Muslim historians. You should begin with the biography of Muhammad written by Ibn Ishaq available from Oxford University Press, Pakistan or Amazon.com. If are reading your prophet's biography you still think Muslims are a peace-loving group then read what Muslim historians have written about what Muslim kings and emperors did in India (The history of India as told by its own Historians, by H M Elliot, the Muhammadan period)
>>I'll give you an easy one shall I - Russia has for years and years abused people of Chechnya. And if you read the small print - practically every major human rights organisations year after year report on the abuses - but remeber when Chechnyans took hostage of a School. That was shown right across the globe - see USA has great "interest" with Russia and hardly lifted a finger for help. But when the terrorist Chechnyans did what they did ......... well you can figure out what comes next.<<
I will also give you some easy ones. How many true Muslims raise their voices at the plight of the Ahmadias in Pakistan? They live honourable lives in India, a secular democracy.
What about the human rights of the Bahais in Iran? Of the Shias in Saudi Arabia? Would you even have heard of the massacre of the Marsh Arabs or Shias and Kurds in Iraq if not for the Western media? Would you have heard of the massacre (estimated between ten and thirty thousand) of Muslims in a village in Syria if not for the Western Media?
>>And you say you are like civilised? Huh? Don't make me laugh. <<
Did you laugh when you read the cruel statistics of the devastation caused by Islam in India? Maybe you did. After all your prophet valued only Muslim lives (do you want me to quote from his biography and hadiths to prove it?). And the killings were for Jihad in the cause of Islam. But did you laugh when you read the statistics of what Muslims do to Muslims?
Is it civilized for a religious scripture to pick out other religions and curse and abuse them like the Koran does with Jews, Christians and idol-worshippers? Is it civilized for a holy scripture to call on its followers to fight and kill people of other religions until they submit and pay a humiliation tax and get rewarded in Allah's paradise (9:5, 9:29, 9:111)?
Muslims are trained and blinkered from childhood to see only the atrocities committed by the kaffirs of the world. What the prophet did to his prisoners and critics, the massacres conducted by the sahaba, the atrocities committed by the caliphs and other Muslim rulers are no go areas for Muslims. As taught in your madrassas the word Islam supposedly means peace which perforce, against all evidence, makes Muslims peaceful!
Regards
Plato

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