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A Critical Moment For Turkey
by Daniel Pipes
New York Sun
May 15, 2007
http://www.danielpipes.org/4504/a-critical-moment-for-turkey
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My visit to Istanbul this week comes in the midst of the greatest challenge to the Turkish secular republic since its creation in 1923.
Founded by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk in the wreckage of the Ottoman Empire, the republic came into existence at about the high-water mark of Western confidence, when it appeared that European ways would become the global template. Atatürk imposed a dizzying array of changes , including European laws, the Latin alphabet, the Gregorian calendar, personal last names, hats instead of fezzes, monogamy, Sunday as the day of rest, a ban on dervishes, the legal right to drink alcohol, and Turkish as a liturgical language.
Many reforms took root; going back to the Arabic script or discarding last names is inconceivable. That said, the country has generally reverted to Islamic ways. Increased religious instruction in the schools and more state-funded mosques are complemented by more women taking on head-scarves.
Several factors account for this development: the predictable reaction against Atatürk's excesses; Turkey's greater democratization, which gave the masses a chance to express themselves; the higher demographic rate of Anatolians , generally cooler to Atatürk's changes; and the Islamist surge that began in the mid-1970s.
This surge translated into a substantial Islamic representation in the Grand National Assembly, beginning as a single seat in the 1960s and then – aided by Turkish electoral peculiarities – reaching a nearly two-thirds majority today. Islamic parties have twice controlled the prime ministry, in 1996-97 and since 2002. The first time, Necmettin Erbakan's headstrong personality and overt Islamist program prompted the military, guardian of Atatürk's traditions, to oust him from power within a year.
After Erbakan's collapse, a former lieutenant, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, founded Justice and Development (or AKP), now the governing party. Learning from the 1996-97 fiasco, Erdoğan and his team took a much more cautious approach to Islamization. Also, they displayed competence at governing, handling well the economy, the European Union, Cyprus, and other matters.
But last month Erdoğan reached too far in picking Abdullah Gül, his close associate, to run for the republic's presidency. In a fast-paced sequence of events, Gül failed to get the necessary votes, the Constitutional Court voided the election, millions of secularists took to the streets , the military hinted of a coup, and Erdoğan dissolved parliament. Both it and a new president will soon be voted on.
Questions abound: Can the AKP again win a majority of seats? Failing that, can it form a ruling coalition? Will it succeed in installing one of its own as president?
More fundamentally, what are the AKP leadership's intentions? Did it, having witnessed Erbakan's fate, retain a secret Islamist program and simply learn to disguise its Islamist goals? Or did it actually give up on those goals and accept secularism?
These questions of intent can only be answered speculatively. Judging whether the AKP has a hidden agenda, I concluded after a trip to Turkey in mid-2005, resembles a "sophisticated intellectual puzzle," with persuasive evidence in both directions. That remains the case, I find on this visit two years later. There's just more data to process and interpret.
Each Turk must judge the AKP for himself, as must key foreign governments. If the polls show Turkish voters still quite undecided, foreign leaders have opted in Erdoğan's favor. The Council of Europe condemned military intervention and U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has gone further, praising the AKP for "pulling Turkey west toward Europe" and specifically endorsed its efforts to make Turkey's laws conform to Europe's in the areas of individual and religious freedom.
But her statement ignores AKP efforts to apply the Islamic law by criminalizing adultery and creating alcohol-free zones , not to speak of its privileging Islamic courts over secular courts, its reliance on dirty money , and its bias against religious minorities as well as the persecution of political opponents . Further, European Union membership offers the AKP a huge side-benefit: by reducing the political role of Turkey's arch-secular military leadership, paradoxically, it eases the way to apply Islamic laws. Would the AKP's caution outlast its neutering the officer corps? Finally, Secretary Rice ignores AKP-induced tensions in U.S.-Turkish relations .
But her superficial analysis has one inadvertent benefit: given Turkey's fervid anti-Americanism these days, American support for the AKP might actually cause it to lose votes. Such cynical humor aside, Washington should stop bolstering the AKP and instead side with its natural allies, the secularists.
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Lincoln May 16, 2007 09:22 Mr Pipes, you misread Turkey [300 words]Atilla Yayla May 16, 2007 05:47 ↔ First SECULARISM.... [284 words] Tijen May 24, 2007 15:58 ↔ Why Turkey will never be a democracy [929 words] Ianus May 24, 2007 16:52 ↔ secular or not you still murder minorities [68 words] susan May 25, 2007 11:35 The islamic curse [161 words]G.Vishvas May 16, 2007 05:35 Ataturk Declared Islam Was the Enemy of Turkey. Today Islam Is the Enemy of the World. [475 words]Domenic Pepe May 16, 2007 05:22 ↔ It's not 1924 anymore [137 words] Pat May 16, 2007 23:59 ↔ Domenic Pepe [62 words] Azeem Mehmet May 17, 2007 11:10 ↔ American Awakening to the Threat of Islam [163 words] Domenic Pepe May 17, 2007 17:07 ↔ go back [26 words] surj May 18, 2007 18:20 ↔ READ Pat's Comments [8 words] Azeem Mehmet May 21, 2007 14:32 ↔ Relax Mehmet! 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[1881 words] Ianus May 22, 2007 16:37 ↔ typical answers of turks, please read here the "moderation" [231 words] susan May 25, 2007 11:53 ↔ Reply to Susan [329 words] Deniz Tolga May 27, 2007 09:43 ↔ usual reply [1110 words] susan May 28, 2007 10:47 ↔ Mosques in places once subjugated by Moslems [260 words] Ianus May 28, 2007 18:30 ↔ THE TURKISH RACE IS A JOKE [86 words] TURKSLAPPER Nov 6, 2009 11:57 ↔ Turkish race is a joke [16 words] Ianus Nov 7, 2009 14:41 "NO ENTRY" in European Union . [116 words]Jaan May 16, 2007 00:21 What I'd like to see in US diplomacy toward Turkey... [143 words]Rick House May 15, 2007 18:35 ↔ SORRY RICK! Turks give NOT ONE FIG about America's "vision for Turkey" [228 words] mariana May 17, 2007 19:46 ↔ " Turks give NOT ONE FIG about America's "vision for Turkey"" - Isn't it an understatement ? [936 words] Ianus May 19, 2007 11:36 ↔ Metal Firtina - the new smash hit [211 words] Pat May 20, 2007 19:56 ↔ Mecca - the new UN headquarters [70 words] Ianus May 22, 2007 16:53 ↔ Metal Firtina - the final scene [228 words] Ianus May 23, 2007 15:37 ↔ There's already some footage available [109 words] Pat May 23, 2007 19:46 ↔ Maybe an "optimistic" scene at the end ? [611 words] Ianus May 24, 2007 11:54 ↔ PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan: ""Let's not focus on this but on making friends,..." [988 words] mariana May 25, 2007 00:40 ↔ Only in America [209 words] Pat May 25, 2007 09:39 ↔ Turks are more dangerous as friends than as enemies [1996 words] Ianus May 26, 2007 17:08 ↔ No "optimism" then [39 words] Ianus May 26, 2007 17:49 ↔ ALL OF AMERICA'S "FRIENDS" ARE MORE DANGEROUS TO US THAN OUR ENEMIES..."Let's not focus on this [overt acts of aggression], but on making friends,..." [1805 words] mariana May 30, 2007 17:05 ↔ ALL OF AMERICA'S "FRIENDS" ARE MORE DANGEROUS TO US THAN OUR ENEMIES... Russia is not a friend , so perhaps it might be given a chance ? [989 words] Ianus Jun 3, 2007 15:12 ↔ "Fool Me Once, Shame On You; Fool Me Twice, Shame On Me!" [2403 words] mariana Jun 4, 2007 16:24 ↔ Under the spreading chestnut tree I sold you and you sold me." [4733 words] Ianus Jun 6, 2007 07:54 ↔ Back to Basics. [1317 words] mariana Jun 7, 2007 15:56 ↔ A thought experiment [2613 words] Ianus Jun 9, 2007 19:17 Rearranging deck chairs on the titamic [114 words]Roosevelt's Disciple May 15, 2007 14:30 A Critical Moment for Turkey [109 words]Iftikhar Ahmad May 15, 2007 13:35 ↔ I'm - almost - at a loss for words [291 words] Ömer May 15, 2007 16:55 ↔ For our dear Omer, and speaking of being at a loss for words [528 words] dhimmi no more May 16, 2007 07:59 ↔ Iftikhar Ahmed [14 words] Un Drain May 16, 2007 15:08 ↔ I'm a proud Turk [73 words] Azeem Mehmet May 16, 2007 15:15 ↔ alphabets [91 words] surj May 16, 2007 16:04 ↔ Proud Muslim [103 words] surj May 16, 2007 16:29 ↔ Blind Brain washed Turks [105 words] Mahogany May 16, 2007 17:31 ↔ Our dear Azeem the Turk (sic) is on the verge of a nervous breakdown [109 words] dhimmi no more May 16, 2007 18:53 ↔ In response [802 words] Ömer May 17, 2007 02:15 ↔ The simplest rationale [77 words] Ömer May 17, 2007 02:21 ↔ Our Dear Omer the Turk and the Armenian genocide! [291 words] dhimmi no more May 18, 2007 07:29 ↔ Reply to Dhimmi no more [127 words] European May 18, 2007 20:22 ↔ "Crude racist remarks" Really? [15 words] dhimmi no more May 19, 2007 09:44 ↔ Our dear Omer the Turk and his bogus falsafa [301 words] dhimmi no more May 19, 2007 18:52 ↔ dhimmi check your copy of the Quran [89 words] Azeem Mehmet May 21, 2007 14:59 ↔ To dhimmi no more [59 words] Ömer May 21, 2007 15:02 ↔ In final response to Ex-Dhimmi [433 words] Ömer May 21, 2007 15:37 ↔ For our dear Omer [186 words] dhimmi no more May 22, 2007 07:27 ↔ azeem [192 words] dihmmi no more May 22, 2007 20:02 ↔ Turkish homeland [237 words] Tijen May 24, 2007 11:56 ↔ dhimmi no more [132 words] Azeem Mehmet May 24, 2007 16:28 ↔ Conversion of the Turks to Islam [654 words] Ianus May 25, 2007 08:41 ↔ study YOUR history [719 words] susan May 25, 2007 12:15 ↔ silly questions [255 words] susan May 25, 2007 12:30 ↔ "Vatan"(homeland) - an Arabic word for a non-existing Turkish concept [544 words] Ianus May 25, 2007 15:35 ↔ But you can prove me wrong! [48 words] dhimmi no more May 25, 2007 19:51 ↔ I'm proud to be a kaffir! [32 words] dhimmi no more May 26, 2007 06:33 ↔ More bogus claims by our dear Tijen the Turk [152 words] dihmmi no more May 26, 2007 06:41 ↔ Here is the proof for dhimmi from Quran [161 words] A Mehmet May 30, 2007 17:40 ↔ Islam is the religion of the Arabs and this is what the Qur'an really says and you ain't no Arab [539 words] dhimmi no more May 31, 2007 19:32 ↔ dhimmi makes NO sense [155 words] Un Drained Jun 4, 2007 18:35 ↔ Lousy Arabic? Wanna share with us? 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