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To sara: Pass the bill. The Turks are going to do what they want, anyway. The truth matters.

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Submitted by Doc Tater (United States), Oct 30, 2007 at 18:53

Thank you for your kind and thoughtful words, sara.

sara wrote: "What exactly is your expectation and hope for an outcome from passing such a bill, strictly in terms of short term success in Iraq?"

Response: What it does, and this is highly controversial, is that it can be part of a diplomatic posture that ultimately enables the US to "step aside" and allow Turkey to establish a military presence in Iraq, which would be the start of a process of dividing up Iraqi territory between the nations that border Iraq. If that fragmentation occurs in a way that results in parity, without giving any one nation a portion that overwhelms the balance of power in the region, it is in America's best interests. If that fragmentation process results in Turkey clashing with Iran over territory in Iraq, with America withdrawn to the sidelines, that could be in America's best interests. If Saudi Arabia lays a claim, and we step aside, and Saudi Arabia clashes with Syria over territory, it could be in our best interests. If Jordan claims Iraqi land, and clashes with Syria and Iran, it could be in America's best interests.

This fragmentation has been inevitable, in the opinion of many people on all sides of the issue, for decades. When factions within Islam are warring against other factions within Islam, fighting over land and sectarian dogma, it creates the circumstances that history teaches us have been associated with victories by the Judeo-Christian West over Muslim opponents.

We have been able to defend ourselves from jihad when Islam caved in from internal conflict, and this has been the case for 1400 years. Muslim historians know this fact, which is why al Qaeda (think Sunni, Wahabbi) has maintained a strict public relations policy of openly calling for Muslim unity, and for avoiding open clashes with Shia Muslim groups.

America must wake up to the true nature of Islamism as a political, trans-national ideology bent on bringing the entire globe under the Ignorant, oppressive yoke of sharia in a relentless, bloodthirsty, global jihad. I believe the Armenian Genocide bill actually figures very little in terms of short term outcomes in Iraq, because Erdogan's Turkey is going to do what they're going to do, regardless of what rhetoric opportunities their PR wonks can come up with from data-mining on the internet and scheming with cronies inside the beltway, but it has vast meaning to ethnic and religious minorities in the US and overseas who will be encouraged by our national recognition of the truth.

The only influence we might have had, before the most recent Turkish elections, was with the traditionally secularist military, but it seems too late for secularist Turkish generals to oppose the momentum for an incursion into Iraq, and those same secularist generals were publically in favor of such a military action even before the elections.

This American legislative issue is being watched closely in the American Jewish community, and in Israel, and by Greek and Central Asian Christians and by Arab Christians (check out Brigitte Gabriel, think Lebanese Orthodox Christians). These people either are loyal Americans (though liberal American Jews suffering from Oslo Syndrome haven't been much help recently), or they are America's friends and loyal supporters. The Turks aren't our friends, and haven't been close to acting like friends since the mid-1990's.

I have an Armenian-American friend whose father survived the Armenian Genocide, and believe me, passing this bill matters to him. He found it almost incredible that the US Congress had sufficient moral courage to even consider such a bill, and found it almost too good to be true when it passed the Senate. It is time we started valuing moral courage, and spending less time worrying about the results of polls and the ranting of posturing Turks and Iranians.

The Turks need to be much more concerned about whether we approve of what they do. After all, we can disable their military and collapse their government in less than 48 hours, without nukes, and it would be refreshing to fight an enemy with a real army and a real government for a change, after all these years of fighting a sneaky, cowardly enemy dressed in civilian attire where we always have moral uncertainty and fear of collateral casualties. We need to be less concerned about Turkey approving of what we do, especially when it involves our own internal affairs. We are a sovereign nation. If today's Turks had no part in the Armenian Genocide, they shouldn't care if we finally have a legislated justification for correcting several generations of errors and omissions in history books.

I can't believe the brash, unmittigated gall of the Turks to state that we should support them and accompany them on an incursion into Iraqi Kurdistan. They can be expected to mow down any Kurds in their path, without even pretending to try determining if they are PKK. Iraqi Kurds have been our allies, in spite of what the PKK does, and I doubt that the legitimate public Kurdish leaders have any influence with the PKK. While it is stupid of the Kurds in the PKK to behave with pugnacity towards the Turks, we can't really side with the Turks on this one.

sara wrote: "I think that one of the achilles heels of the US, and the west in general, has been to attempt to negotiate with Muslim cultures with a western mindset. We must begin to address and manipulate their anticipated reactions from an Islamic standpoint, not how we would react as westerners. This is crucial. Deterrence has always worked for example. A strong US is the best negotiating tool we have."

Response: Absolutely true. Most Americans don't have a clue what you're talking about, but you've figured it out. Bravo! We started our current pattern of negotiating stupidly with Islamists during the Tehran hostage situation during the Carter administration, when young Iranian Islamist hostage holders were approaching the negotiating table using Iranian boys' verbal jousting gambits (think: "your mama wears combat boots"..."yea, well your mama only got one boot and thought it was a great deal", only it was all couched in the culture and language of Iran), which was entirely misunderstood by American negotiators, who looked like fools to the Iranians and who were pitifully inadequate in their role as the protectors and saviors of the American hostages. Thank God Ross Perot had some brains and guts and money, in contrast to the US government, or the hostages might have all died there.

The Islamists value words only for the power those words exert, and for the results those words elicit. Truth and factual accuracy matter little to them. They lie to us because the Quran teaches them that war is deception and tells them to lie, and that it doesn't matter if they lie to us because we're non-believers with the same unclean status of swine and dogs. It's also a trait of pre-Muslim Arab culture.

Personally, sara, I prefer the company of dogs: dogs are loyal and love unconditionally and purely. If you take in a homeless, starving dog and feed him and treat his wounds, he will love you and protect you with loyalty forever. That has been my experience with dogs for many years, with many rescued dogs, and even my dress clothes have dog hair on them (though I try and use those sticky-tape roller thingees that pull off the dog hair from my clothes before I go anywhere important). I cannot trust any culture that hasn't learned to hold dogs in high esteem, and I've yet to discover any Muslim dog lovers.

Having never participated in The Age of Reason, having no reason to have embraced Empiricism or The Scientific Method, verifiable facts and moral truth matter very little to Islamists. As you state, "I do not trust any of them anyway (grew up knowing the mindset all too well)". They understand and respect sheer power, brute force, ruthless determination, and delight in intricately deceptive strategies that are pieced together many moves ahead of time... after all, they gave the world chess.

If they were capable of effective, modern, worldly functioning, they'd be designing and manufacturing the world's best air conditioners and refrigerators. Instead, they can't even maintain and repair the world's best air conditioners and refrigerators, made elsewhere by pesky non-believers and infidels, which they buy with petro-bucks from the only profitable resource they have.

sara wrote: As for your comment about my patriotism and fervor, thanks, but I see it as a given that any American should be concerned about the success and status of the US in the ME. We ignore it at our own peril.

Response: Any American should indeed be concerned about the success and status of the US in the ME, and we do, repeatedly, ignore it at our own peril, because Americans have little understanding of world history, little understanding of geography, and think surviving in the world is best done by employing strategies that would be best applied to getting elected captain of a highschool cheerleading squad. It isn't about popularity. It isn't about a big friendly world community. It's like Mark Steyn wrote in "America Alone", we are the last stronghold of western civilization, and we'll have to get used to a lonely, long struggle with very little moral or material support from other countries. You distinguish yourself, sara, by not being an apologist for Islamists, and for not claiming they embrace the one true religion of peace and love.

What we will have, and this is why I want the Armenian Genocide bill passed now, is the love and respect of little pockets of people all over the world who know the truth and who look to America as the last, best chance for civilization. Those are our allies, our future next door neighbors (if we're lucky and if they're lucky), our future intelligence operatives, and our future covert operations resources.

You seem to have your head and your heart in the right place, sara. Internal Turkish events and trends are rarely revealed or exhibited to the rest of the world. If you go to Turkish websites, they're mostly aimed at promoting a positive impression for tourism, or slanted towards making a positive impression in the world of international finance because Erdogan's Islamist party has figured out how to be the champions of Turkish business opportunity. There's a very good review of internal Turkish political and cultural evolution in Dr. Pipes' articles "A Critical Moment For Turkey", "A Million Moderate Muslims on the March", "Is Turkey Going Islamist?", and "Turkey's Radical Turn". There is also some good, though sometimes less optimistic, information in some of the comments written in by some of the more well-informed readers on this website, among them a person who goes by the nom-de-blog "Ianus" who seems to have a peculiarly detailed and intimate knowledge of Turkey, Greece, and Cyprus.

Fondly,

Doc Tater


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In response [802 words]ÖmerMay 17, 2007 02:1593092
The simplest rationale [77 words]ÖmerMay 17, 2007 02:2193092
1Our Dear Omer the Turk and the Armenian genocide! [291 words]dhimmi no moreMay 18, 2007 07:2993092
Reply to Dhimmi no more [127 words]EuropeanMay 18, 2007 20:2293092
"Crude racist remarks" Really? [15 words]dhimmi no moreMay 19, 2007 09:4493092
Our dear Omer the Turk and his bogus falsafa [301 words]dhimmi no moreMay 19, 2007 18:5293092
dhimmi check your copy of the Quran [89 words]Azeem MehmetMay 21, 2007 14:5993092
To dhimmi no more [59 words]ÖmerMay 21, 2007 15:0293092
In final response to Ex-Dhimmi [433 words]ÖmerMay 21, 2007 15:3793092
For our dear Omer [186 words]dhimmi no moreMay 22, 2007 07:2793092
azeem [192 words]dihmmi no moreMay 22, 2007 20:0293092
Turkish homeland [237 words]TijenMay 24, 2007 11:5693092
dhimmi no more [132 words]Azeem MehmetMay 24, 2007 16:2893092
14Conversion of the Turks to Islam [654 words]IanusMay 25, 2007 08:4193092
study YOUR history [719 words]susanMay 25, 2007 12:1593092
silly questions [255 words]susanMay 25, 2007 12:3093092
1"Vatan"(homeland) - an Arabic word for a non-existing Turkish concept [544 words]IanusMay 25, 2007 15:3593092
But you can prove me wrong! [48 words]dhimmi no moreMay 25, 2007 19:5193092
I'm proud to be a kaffir! [32 words]dhimmi no moreMay 26, 2007 06:3393092
More bogus claims by our dear Tijen the Turk [152 words]dihmmi no moreMay 26, 2007 06:4193092
Here is the proof for dhimmi from Quran [161 words]A MehmetMay 30, 2007 17:4093092
Islam is the religion of the Arabs and this is what the Qur'an really says and you ain't no Arab [539 words]dhimmi no moreMay 31, 2007 19:3293092
dhimmi makes NO sense [155 words]Un DrainedJun 4, 2007 18:3593092
Lousy Arabic? Wanna share with us? [44 words]dhimmi no moreJun 5, 2007 17:0393092
Drano and the Qur'an really says that islam is really the religion of the arabs and you ain't one [202 words]dhimmi no moreJun 5, 2007 21:0793092
dhimmi [79 words]un drainedJun 7, 2007 11:0993092
the Qur'an really says that islam is really the religion of the arabs and you ain't one part deux [83 words]dhimmi no moreJun 7, 2007 20:0693092
Another bogus claim by drano [109 words]dihmmi no moreJun 7, 2007 20:1493092
More fantasy from our dear drano [51 words]dhimmi no moreJun 7, 2007 20:4093092
Drano and the Qur'an really says that islam is really the religion of the arabs and you ain't one part trois [336 words]dhimmi no moreJun 8, 2007 06:4593092
Just facts [58 words]TijenJun 8, 2007 10:5293092
The Turk Tijen and two words: Bogus again [200 words]dhimmi no moreJun 8, 2007 16:4593092
1Drano and the Qur'an really says that islam is really the religion of the arabs and you ain't one part quatre [328 words]dhimmi no moreJun 9, 2007 07:2793092
The Demographic Puzzle and the Kurds [81 words]SophiaMay 15, 2007 12:4093090
The Demographic Puzzle and the Kurds [550 words]IanusMay 15, 2007 17:5093090
Natural allies of the USA and contradiction with recent articles by Dr Pipes [187 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
HarrakMay 15, 2007 12:1593087
The Turkish prime minister [144 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
HarrakMay 23, 2007 00:2093087
Thanks, that was a better explaining reference [81 words]HarrakMay 31, 2007 10:3793087
A Critical Moment For Turkey [146 words]Kim SegarMay 15, 2007 10:3692971
The "secularists" are not a good choice either [102 words]AMDGMay 15, 2007 08:4192965
Iraq, Kosovo and Turkey - Does Bush the Bungler have a clue? [342 words]James BurkeMay 15, 2007 08:3992963
Grateful - who Muslims?? Nah!!! [126 words]JaladhiMay 15, 2007 15:4592963
Folly or money ? [142 words]IanusMay 15, 2007 17:1392963
World is fed up of Islamic Terrorism and Bloodshed [70 words]okisMay 16, 2007 11:0892963
I am shocked to see these photos , its beginning of World War III . [66 words]FinusuMay 16, 2007 11:1392963
Both Folly & $$$ - Giving aid and comfort to enemies is standard for the White House [305 words]James BurkeMay 17, 2007 07:2892963
STATE DEPARTMENT GETS IT ALL WRONG ON TURKEY AND ITS EU CANDIDACY [799 words]Joel SteinMay 15, 2007 08:1792962
Europe is already Islamized [278 words]PatMay 17, 2007 11:5592962
are you looking closely at USA? [93 words]susanMay 25, 2007 12:3592962
Oh really? [98 words]PatMay 26, 2007 08:0992962
Susan: please check your statistics [40 words]free beeMay 31, 2007 16:0792962
muslim doctors are a fraud, here's link to prove it [321 words]susanMay 31, 2007 16:2392962
Our dear Freebee and statistics! [190 words]dhimmi no moreJun 1, 2007 07:1092962
About FREE BEE forcing Data. [286 words]Ynna(tchkah)Jun 1, 2007 15:1192962
FREE BEE NEVER answered my e-mail which proves.. [42 words]YnnatchkahJun 2, 2007 01:5492962
Salaamun. (Peace). [200 words]Jason Quddus MowSep 4, 2007 19:3592962
pleaaaase [35 words]susanSep 6, 2007 05:5292962
1Salaamun. (Peace). [499 words]Jason Quddus MowSep 6, 2007 18:1192962
moderate islamist [49 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
koolkargaMay 15, 2007 07:1592955

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