study YOUR history
Submitted by susan (Italy), May 25, 2007 at 12:15
"We did no more and much less than any imperial power. "
too bad the rest of imperial powers had to apologise, where is the ottoman apology?
"In brief, we converted because we were whipped by Arab armies and also saw the benefits of their civilisation. "
forced conversion, how great. Benefits of what civilization? arabs were caravan robbers and nothing more. Oh I see, the average turk calls it "civilization".
"As for the devshirme, if the Bosnians converted to Islam but pleaded to retain the system, *by the standards of the day* it can't have been all that bad. "
so if MAFIA exists nowadays it can't be that bad. What a wonderful reasoning, so if slavery is still in muslim country (mali, mauritania, saudi arabia and sudan) it cannot be that bad.
"Moroever, while no-one would argue for devshirme today, why, 170-odd years after it was finally abolished, do you still feel the need to argue against it? I mean, historical memory has a point, but do you not think that yammering on about this some 6 generations later is weird?"
WE are still apologizing for slavery, for the roman empire, when muslims will start to apologise?
"Armenians are best known in Turkey for the quality of their silver work."
turkey are known for fascism and the turkish bath and nothing more, so what's your point?
"On the other hand, I can't offhand remember a single Armenian philosopher or jurist of note, unlike many Greek or Roman. Perhaps you could help out?"
Turkey is 70 million people, armenia is 3, thanks to your genocide.
Armenia has got 99% literacy rate, turkey has 60%.
In armenia I am not killed because I am not muslim, in turkey I am killed because I am not muslim.
Civilization rate of armenia is 10 out of 10, in turkey is 0.1 at most.
"Not at all strange. Anatolia has long been a melting pot. Of course we are a mongrel breed. Works for me. What's your problem?"
as it happens in some families your breed descends from the worst line. Melting pot? LOL, there is nothing in muslim turkey today that resembles the glories of pre-muslim anatolia, except the things you've stolen.
" But to go on. I may have a better grasp of history than you may credit. And I feel quite secure. :))"
LOL, spare us from the history knowledge...
What about your praised fascist movement, the young turks (self proclaimed FASCIST movement). How come your FASCIST movement is not lined up together with mussolini and hitler (and we know how the turks admire dictatorship and hitler)
The Turkish Janissary Corps (TURK OCAKLARI) was responsibIe for the organisation of these conferences. In one of his speeches at a ceremony on 23 April 1930, the President of the Turkish Janissary Corps, Abdullah Suphi Tanriover, made the following statement establishing the parallel between Fascism in Italy and the developments in Turkey:
While this ideology was created within Turkey, friends and enemies were also identifed according to TURK'UN TURK'TEN BASKA DOSTU YOKTUR (The only friends of Turks are Turks). Internal enemies were identifed as communists, socialists, Muslim fundamentalists, Kurds and other ethnic minorities such as Armenians, Lazes, Greeks and Suryanis. (4) Attacks were launched against these groups. Anybody who opposed these ideas was immediately removed. As a result of the assimilation policy, anybody who did not speak Turkish was punished.
"If I had to be brief, I'd say the Enlightenment. "
Enlightenment where? in turkey? have you been Enlightened on how to murder christians and how to get away with it without apologising?
"As if the Greeks and Armenians had nothing better to do."
you're right, greeks and armenians have something better to do which is surviving a genocide of which no turk has ever apologized.
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