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Submitted by Peter Hall (Australia), Dec 4, 2011 at 21:21

So after 13 years of preaching, how many followers did Mohammed have when he was run out of Mecca?

you said

Muhammad during his time had many miracles - the least is when he had a battle with the Quraysh near Badr, they were 300 Muslims among them one horsman and premitive weapons, the Infidels were 1000 and 70 horsemen and larger amount and more sufisticated weaponery.

My understanding is that Mohammed only won because he broke the social convention at the time by attacking during the pagan festive month of Ramadan, where traditionally tribes were forbidden to wage war. Mohammed's winning was not a miracle, but he was sneaky.

As to him not being found by Arabs searching for him? Well maybe he being a sneaky type of guy probably he was just good at hiding? No miracle there.

Slayhy, I thought you were a good Muslim, you obviously do not know your Muslim texts

you said

your story about the mother and child is rubbish, from the rubbish you are suckling

From the Sirat Rasul Allah (A. Guilaume's translation "The Life of Muhammad") pages 675, 676.

Note: My comments will be in [ ] type brackets. Notes by the Translators of the texts will be in { } brackets.

'UMAYR B. 'ADIYY'S JOURNEY TO KILL 'ASMA' D. MARWAN She was of B. Umayyya b. Zayd. When Abu 'Afak had been killed she displayed disaffection. 'Abdullah b. al-Harith b. Al-Fudayl from his father said that she was married to a man of B. Khatma called Yazid b. Zayd. Blaming Islam and its followers she said:
    I despise B. Malik and al-Nabit
    and 'Auf and B. al-Khazraj.
    You obey a stranger who is none of yours,
    One not of Murad or Madhhij. {1}
    Do you expect good from him after the killing of your chiefs
    Like a hungry man waiting for a cook's broth?
    Is there no man of pride who would attack him by surprise
    And cut off the hopes of those who expect aught from him?

Hassan b. Thabit answered her:

    Banu Wa'il and B. Waqif and Khatma
    Are inferior to B. al-Khazrahj.
    When she called for folly woe to her in her weeping,
    For death is coming.
    She stirred up a man of glorious origin,
    Noble in his going out and in his coming in.
    Before midnight he dyed her in her blood
    And incurred no guilt thereby.

When the apostle heard what she had said he said, "Who will rid me of Marwan's daughter?" 'Umayr b. 'Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her. In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he [Muhammad] said, "You have helped God and His apostle, O 'Umayr!" When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, "Two goats won't butt their heads about her", so 'Umayr went back to his people.

Now there was a great commotion among B. Khatma that day about the affair of bint [daughter of] Marwan. She had five sons, and when 'Umayr went to them from the apostle he said, "I have killed bint Marwan, O sons of Khatma. Withstand me if you can; don't keep me waiting." That was the first day Islam became powerful among B. Khatma; before that those who were Muslims concealed the fact. The first of them to accept Islam was 'Umayr b. 'Adiy who was called the "Reader", and 'Abdullah b. Aus and Khuzayma b. Thabit. The day after Bint Marwan was killed the men of B. Khatma became Muslims because they saw the power of Islam.

{1} The note reads "Two tribes of Yamani origin."


From Ibn Sa'd's Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, translated by S. Moinul Haq, volume 2, pages 30-31.


Then (occurred) the sariyyah of 'Umayr ibn 'Adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against 'Asma' Bint Marwan, of Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, when five nights had remained from the month of Ramadan, in the beginning of the nineteenth month from the hijrah of the apostle of Allah. 'Asma' was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest till it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the prophet at al-Medina. The apostle of Allah said to him: "Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?" He said: "Yes. Is there something more for me to do?" He [Muhammad] said: "No. Two goats will butt together about her. This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah. The apostle of Allah called him 'Umayr, "basir" (the seeing).



In "23 Years; A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammad", by Ali Dashti, (Mazda Press, 1994), Dashti also references the murders of Abu 'Afak and 'Asma' b. Marwan. He wrote (page 100):

Abu Afak, a man of great age (reputedly 120 years) was killed because he lampooned Mohammad. The deed was done by Salem b. 'Omayr at the behest of the Prophet, who had asked, "Who will deal with this rascal for me?" The killing of such an old man moved a poetess, Asma b. Marwan, to compose disrespectful verses about the Prophet, and she too was assassinated.

Now are you going to deny the words of Mohammed? Or are you going to give us a bit more taqiyya?

You never seem to give a direct answer to a question, and seem to avoid what you cannot answer and revert to typical Muslim rhetoric.


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