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A Little information about INDIA

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Submitted by Eric Thomas (Kuwait), Aug 23, 2006 at 15:58

Dear Ronaldo Ferrario,

My name is Eric Thomas,

I am from the south part of India known as Kerala.

Fifty years ago on January 30, 1948, India's "Father of the Nation", Mahatma Gandhi, was assassinated.

Gandhi, one of the world's most famous pacifists, was killed by a fellow Hindu (Nadhu Ram Godsey).

The name "mahatma" means "great soul", and his philosophy of peaceful resistance is widely credited with having forced the peaceful end of British rule of India in 1947, the year before his death. He was born Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi on October 2, 1869, into a family of merchants.

Breaking with caste tradition, he went to England to study law when he was 19. His fellow students shunned him because he was an Indian. It was in London that he read Henry David Thoreau's "Civil Disobedience", which inspired his principle of non-violence.

Indira Gandhi the only daughter of Jawaharlal Nehru ( Indira Firose Khan is the real name after her marriage with firoze khan ) (1917-1984) was the only child of Kamla and Jawaharlal Nehru. She spent part of her childhood in Allahabad, where the Nehrus had their family residence, and part in Switzerland, where her mother Kamla convalesced from her periodic illnesses. She received her college education at Somerville College, Oxford. A famous photograph from her childhood shows her sitting by the bedside of Mahatma Gandhi, as he recovered from one of his fasts; and though she was not actively involved in the freedom struggle, she came to know the entire Indian political leadership. After India's attainment of independence, and the ascendancy of Jawaharlal Nehru, now a widower, to the office of the Prime Minister, Indira Gandhi managed the official residence of her father, and accompanied him on his numerous foreign trips. She had been married in 1942 to Feroze Khan(Later adopted by Mahatma Gandhi and given his name as Firoze Ghandhi) , who rose to some eminence as a parliamentarian and politician of integrity but found himself disliked by his more famous father-in-law, but Feroze died in 1960 before he could consolidate his own political forces.

Mrs. Indira Gandhi, Prime Minister of India, 1966-77 and 1980-84. She was assassinated in 1984. In 1964, the year of her father's death, Indira Gandhi was for the first time elected to Parliament, and she was Minister of Information and Broadcasting in the government of Lal Bahadur Shastri, who died unexpectedly of a heart attack less than two years after assuming office.

The numerous contenders for the position of the Prime Ministership, unable to agree among themselves, picked Indira Gandhi as a compromise candidate, and each thought that she would be easily manipulable. But Indira Gandhi showed extraordinary political skills and tenacity and elbowed the Congress dons -- Kamaraj, Morarji Desai, and others -- out of power. She held the office of the Prime Minister from 1966 to 1977. She was riding the crest of popularity after India's triumph in the war of 1971 against Pakistan, and the explosion of a nuclear device in 1974 helped to enhance her reputation among middle-class Indians as a tough and shrewd political leader.

However, by 1973, Delhi and north India were rocked by demonstrations angry at high inflation, the poor state of the economy, rampant corruption, and the poor standards of living. In June 1975, the High Court of Allahabad found her guilty of using illegal practices during the last election campaign, and ordered her to vacate her seat. There were demands for her resignation.

Mrs. Gandhi's response was to declare a state of emergency, under which her political foes were imprisoned, constitutional rights abrogated, and the press placed under strict censorship. Meanwhile, the eldest of her two sons, Sanjay Gandhi, started to run the country as though it were his personal fiefdom, and earned the fierce hatred of many whom his policies had victimized. He ordered the removal of slum dwellings, and in an attempt to curb India's growing population, initiated a highly resented program of forced sterilization. In early 1977, confident that she had debilitated her opposition, Mrs. Gandhi called for fresh elections, and found herself trounced by a newly formed coalition of several political parties. Her Congress party lost badly at the polls. Many declared that she was a spent force; but, three years later, she was to return as Prime Minister of India. The same year, however, her son Sanjay was killed in an airplane crash.

In the second, post-Emergency, period of her Prime Ministership, Indira Gandhi was preoccupied by efforts to resolve the political problems in the state of Punjab. In her attempt to crush the secessionist movement of Sikh militants, led by Jarnail Singh Bindranwale, she ordered an assault upon the holiest Sikh shrine in Amritsar, called the "Golden Temple". It is here that Bindranwale and his armed supporters had holed up, and it is from the Golden Temple that they waged their campaign of terrorism not merely against the Government, but against moderate Sikhs and Hindus. "Operation Bluestar", waged in June 1984, led to the death of Bindranwale, and the Golden Temple was stripped clean of Sikh terrorists; however, the Golden Temple was damaged, and Mrs. Gandhi earned the undying hatred of Sikhs who bitterly resented the desacralization of their sacred space. In November of the same year, Mrs. Gandhi was assassinated, at her residence, by two of her own Sikh bodyguards, who claimed to be avenging the insult heaped upon the Sikh nation.

Mrs. Gandhi acquired a formidable international reputation as a "statesman", and there is no doubt that she was extraordinarily skilled in politics. She was prone, like many other politicians, to thrive on slogans, and one -- Garibi Hatao, "Remove Poverty" -- became the rallying cry for one of her election campaigns. She had an authoritarian streak, and though a cultured woman, rarely tolerated dissent; and she did, in many respects, irreparable harm to Indian democracy. Apart from her infamous imposition of the internal emergency, the use of the army to resolve internal disputes greatly increased in her time; and she encouraged a culture of sycophancy and nepotism. At her death, her older son, Rajiv Gandhi, was sworn in as head of the Congress party and Prime Minister.

Rajiv Gandhi Original Name should be Rajiv Firoze), the 46-year-old former Indian prime minister, has been assassinated.

He was campaigning for the Congress Party on the second day of voting in the world's largest democratic election when a powerful bomb, hidden in a basket of flowers, exploded, killing him instantly.

Born into a family of modest means in an Italian village on the banks of a river 57 years ago, Sonia Maino, now Sonia Gandhi (Original name should be Sonia Rajiv, ), has weaved a dramatic way to a place in history by becoming the President of India's century-old Congress party. Being the third woman of foreign origin to hold the prestigious post after Annie Beasant and Nelli Sengupta, Sonia Gandhi also became the fifth from the Nehru family to take over the Congress reins. The other four were Motilal Nehru, Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi. Indira Firoze , Rajiv firoze, Sonia Rajive , Rahul Rajiv or Priyanka Robert has no relation with Ghandi family. Mk Ghandhi was a brahmin from porbander in gujarat and MOtilal Nehru from Kashmir (Kashmiri pandit.

The magic name of Ghandi is used by Nehru family for some political Gains. We can see the original ghandi family is no were in the political scene of india.

Babari masjid /Ram mandir

In the best medieval traditions, the mosque was built on the foundations of a razed Hindu temple, which is believed to mark the spot of the birth of Rama, hero of the Ramayana, one of -- and the less philosophical of -- the two Hindu epics. (The other is the Mahabharata, recently reinterpreted rather successfully for international audiences by Peter Brook. In the popular imagination of the Hindu community, Rama has been the ideal hero-king for centuries. Even Mahatma Gandhi was his devotee, and songs in his praise were sung at his public prayer meetings every day. A major Hindu figure, then, whose birthplace is (was, rather) graced by a Muslim mosque.

The Myth of the Aryan Invasion of India

By David Frawley

One of the main ideas used to interpret and generally devalue the ancient history of India is the theory of the Aryan invasion. According to this account, India was invaded and conquered by nomadic light-skinned Indo-European tribes from Central Asia around 1500-100 BC, who overthrew an earlier and more advanced dark-skinned Dravidian civilization from which they took most of what later became Hindu culture. This so-called pre-Aryan civilization is said to be evidenced by the large urban ruins of what has been called the "Indus valley culture" (as most of its initial sites were on the Indus river). The war between the powers of light and darkness, a prevalent idea in ancient Aryan Vedic scriptures, was thus interpreted to refer to this war between light and dark skinned peoples. The Aryan invasion theory thus turned the "Vedas", the original scriptures of ancient India and the Indo-Aryans, into little more than primitive poems of uncivilized plunderers.

This idea totally foreign to the history of India, whether north or south has become almost an unquestioned truth in the interpretation of ancient history Today, after nearly all the reasons for its supposed validity have been refuted, even major Western scholars are at last beginning to call it in question.

In this article we will summarize the main points that have arisen. This is a complex subject that I have dealt with in depth in my book "Gods, Sages and Kings: Vedic Secrets of Ancient Civilization", for those interested in further examination of the subject.

The Indus valley culture was pronounced pre-Aryans for several reasons that were largely part of the cultural milieu of nineteenth century European thinking As scholars following Max Mullar had decided that the Aryans came into India around 1500 BC, since the Indus valley culture was earlier than this, they concluded that it had to be preAryan. Yet the rationale behind the late date for the Vedic culture given by Muller was totally speculative. Max Muller, like many of the Christian scholars of his era, believed in Biblical chronology. This placed the beginning of the world at 400 BC and the flood around 2500 BC. Assuming to those two dates, it became difficult to get the Aryans in India before 1500 BC.

Muller therefore assumed that the five layers of the four 'Vedas' & 'Upanishads' were each composed in 200 year periods before the Buddha at 500 BC. However, there are more changes of language in Vedic Sanskrit itself than there are in classical Sanskrit since Panini, also regarded as a figure of around 500 BC, or a period of 2500 years. Hence it is clear that each of these periods could have existed for any number of centuries and that the 200 year figure is totally arbitrary and is likely too short a figure.

It was assumed by these scholars many of whom were also Christian missionaries unsympathetic to the 'Vedas' that the Vedic culture was that of primitive nomads from Central Asia. Hence they could not have founded any urban culture like that of the Indus valley. The only basis for this was a rather questionable interpretation of the 'Rig Veda' that they made, ignoring the sophisticated nature of the culture presented within it.

Meanwhile, it was also pointed out that in the middle of the second millennium BC, a number of Indo-European invasions apparently occured in the Middle East, wherein Indo-European peoples the Hittites, Mit tani and Kassites conquered and ruled Mesopotamia for some centuries. An Aryan invasion of India would have been another version of this same movement of Indo-European peoples. On top of this, excavators of the Indus valley culture, like Wheeler, thought they found evidence of destruction of the culture by an outside invasion confirming this.

The Vedic culture was thus said to be that of primitive nomads who came out of Central Asia with their horse-drawn chariots and iron weapons and overthrew the cities of the more advanced Indus valley culture, with their superior battle tactics. It was pointed out that no horses, chariots or iron was discovered in Indus valley sites.

This was how the Aryan invasion theory formed and has remained since then. Though little has been discovered that confirms this theory, there has been much hesitancy to question it, much less to give it up.

Further excavations discovered horses not only in Indus Valley sites but also in pre-Indus sites. The use of the horse has thus been proven for the whole range of ancient Indian history. Evidence of the wheel, and an Indus seal showing a spoked wheel as used in chariots, has also been found, suggesting the usage of chariots.

Moreover, the whole idea of nomads with chariots has been challenged. Chariots are not the vehicles of nomads. Their usage occured only in ancient urban cultures with much flat land, of which the river plain of north India was the most suitable. Chariots are totally unsuitable for crossing mountains and deserts, as the so-called Aryan invasion required.

That the Vedic culture used iron & must hence date later than the introduction of iron around 1500 BC revolves around the meaning of the Vedic term "ayas", interpreted as iron. 'Ayas' in other Indo- European languages like Latin or German usually means copper, bronze or ore generally, not specially iron. There is no reason to insist that in such earlier Vedic times, 'ayas' meant iron, particularly since other metals are not mentioned in the 'Rig Veda' (except gold that is much more commonly referred to than ayas). Moreover, the 'Atharva Veda' and 'Yajur Veda' speak of different colors of 'ayas'(such as red & black), showing that it was a generic term. Hence it is clear that 'ayas' generally meant metal and not specifically iron.

Moreover, the enemies of the Vedic people in the 'Rig Veda' also use ayas, even for making their cities, as do the Vedic people themselves. Hence there is nothing in Vedic literture to show that either the Vedic culture was an ironbased culture or that there enemies were not.

The 'Rig Veda' describes its Gods as 'destroyers of cities'. This was used also to regard the Vedic as a primitive non-urban culture that destroys cities and urban civilization. However, there are also many verses in the 'Rig Veda' that speak of the Aryans as having having cities of their own and being protected by cities upto a hundred in number. Aryan Gods like Indra, Agni, Saraswati and the Adityas are praised as being like a city. Many ancient kings, including those of Egypt and Mesopotamia, had titles like destroyer or conquerer of cities. This does not turn them into nomads. Destruction of cities also happens in modern wars; this does not make those who do this nomads. Hence the idea of Vedic culture as destroying but not building the cities is based upon ignoring what the Vedas actually say about their own cities.

Further excavation revealed that the Indus Valley culture was not des- troyed by outside invasion, but according to internal causes and, most likely, floods. Most recently a new set of cities has been found in India (like the Dwaraka and Bet Dwaraka sites by S.R. Rao and the National Institute of Oceanography in India) which are intermidiate between those of the Indus culture and later ancient India as visited by the Greeks. This may eliminate the so-called dark age following the presumed Aryan invasion and shows a continuous urban occupation in India back to the beginning of the Indus culture.

The interpretation of the religion of the Indus Valley culture -made incidentlly by scholars such as Wheeler who were not religious scholars much less students of Hinduism was that its religion was different than the Vedic and more likely the later Shaivite religion. However, further excavations both in Indus Valley site in Gujarat, like Lothal, and those in Rajsthan, like Kalibangan show large number of fire altars like those used in the Vedic religion, along with bones of oxen, potsherds, shell jewelry and other items used in the rituals described in the 'Vedic Brahmanas'. Hence the Indus Valley culture evidences many Vedic practices that can not be merely coincidental. That some of its practices appeared non-Vedic to its excavators may also be attributed to their misunderstanding or lack of knowledge of Vedic and Hindu culture generally, wherein Vedism and Shaivism are the same basic tradition.

We must remember that ruins do not necessarily have one interpretation. Nor does the ability to discover ruins necessarily gives the ability to interpret them correctly.

The Vedic people were thought to have been a fair-skinned race like the Europeans owing to the Vedic idea of a war between light and darkness, and the Vedic people being presented as children of light or children of the sun. Yet this idea of a war between light and darkness exists in most ancient cultures, including the Persian and the Egyptian. Why don't we interpret their scriptures as a war between light and dark-skinned people? It is purely a poetic metaphor, not a cultural statement. Moreover, no real traces of such a race are found in India.

Anthropologists have observed that the present population of Gujarat is composed of more or less the same ethnic groups as are noticed at Lothal in 2000 BC. Similarly, the present population of the Punjab is said to be ethnically the same as the population of Harappa and Rupar 4000 years ago. Linguistically the present day population of Gujrat and Punjab belongs to the Indo-Aryan language speaking group. The only inference that can be drawn from the anthropological and linguistic evidences adduced above is that the Harappan population in the Indus Valley and Gujrat in 2000 BC was composed of two or more groups, the more dominent among them having very close ethnic affinities with the present day Indo-Aryan speaking population of India.

In other words there is no racial evidence of any such Indo-Aryan invasion of India but only of a continuity of the same group of people who traditionally considered themselves to be Aryans.

There are many points in fact that prove the Vedic nature of the Indus Valley culture. Further excavation has shown that the great majority of the sites of the Indus Valley culture were east, not west of Indus. In fact, the largest concentration of sites appears in an area of Punjab and Rajsthan near the dry banks of ancient Saraswati and Drishadvati rivers. The Vedic culture was said to have been founded by the sage Manu between the banks of Saraswati and Drishadvati rivers. The Saraswati is lauded as the main river (naditama) in the 'Rig Veda' & is the most frequently mentioned in the text. It is said to be a great flood and to be wide, even endless in size. Saraswati is said to be "pure in course from the mountains to the sea". Hence the Vedic people were well acquainted with this river and regarded it as their immemorial hoemland.

The Saraswati, as modern land studies now reveal, was indeed one of the largest, if not the largest river in India. In early ancient and pre-historic times, it once drained the Sutlej, Yamuna and the Ganges, whose courses were much different than they are today. However, the Saraswati river went dry at the end of the Indus Valley culture and before the so-called Aryan invasion or before 1500 BC. In fact this may have caused the ending of the Indus culture. How could the Vedic Aryans know of this river and establish their culture on its banks if it dried up before they arrived? Indeed the Saraswati as described in the 'Rig Veda' appears to more accurately show it as it was prior to the Indus Valley culture as in the Indus era it was already in decline.

Vedic and late Vedic texts also contain interesting astronomical lore. The Vedic calender was based upon astronomical sightings of the equinoxes and solstices. Such texts as 'Vedanga Jyotish' speak of a time when the vernal equinox was in the middle of the Nakshtra Aslesha (or about 23 degrees 20 minutes Cancer). This gives a date of 1300 BC. The 'Yajur Veda' and 'Atharva Veda' speak of the vernal equinox in the Krittikas (Pleiades; early Taurus) and the summer solstice (ayana) in Magha (early Leo). This gives a date about 2400 BC. Yet earlier eras are mentioned but these two have numerous references to substantiate them. They prove that the Vedic culture existed at these periods and already had a sophisticated system of astronomy. Such references were merely ignored or pronounced unintelligible by Western scholars because they yielded too early a date for the 'Vedas' than what they presumed, not because such references did not exist.

Vedic texts like 'Shatapatha Brahmana' and 'Aitereya Brahmana' that mention these astronomical references list a group of 11 Vedic Kings, including a number of figures of the 'Rig Veda', said to have conquered the region of India from 'sea to sea'. Lands of the Aryans are mentioned in them from Gandhara (Afganistan) in the west to Videha (Nepal) in the east, and south to Vidarbha (Maharashtra). Hence the Vedic people were in these regions by the Krittika equinox or before 2400 BC. These passages were also ignored by Western scholars and it was said by them that the 'Vedas' had no evidence of large empires in India in Vedic times. Hence a pattern of ignoring literary evidence or misinterpreting them to suit the Aryan invasion idea became prevalent, even to the point of changing the meaning of Vedic words to suit this theory.

According to this theory, the Vedic people were nomads in the Punjab, comming down from Central Asia. However, the 'Rig Veda' itself has nearly 100 references to ocean (samudra), as well as dozens of references to ships, and to rivers flowing in to the sea. Vedic ancestors like Manu, Turvasha, Yadu and Bhujyu are flood figures, saved from across the sea. The Vedic God of the sea, Varuna, is the father of many Vedic seers and seer families like Vasishta, Agastya and the Bhrigu seers. To preserve the Aryan invasion idea it was assumed that the Vedic (and later sanskrit) term for ocean, samudra, originally did not mean the ocean but any large body of water, especially the Indus river in Punjab. Here the clear meaning of a term in 'Rig Veda' and later times verified by rivers like Saraswati mentioned by name as flowing into the sea was altered to make the Aryan invasion theory fit. Yet if we look at the index to translation of the 'Rig Veda' by Griffith for example, who held to this idea that samudra didn't really mean the ocean, we find over 70 references to ocean or sea. If samudra does noe mean ocean why was it traslated as such? It is therefore without basis to locate Vedic kings in Central Asia far from any ocean or from the massive Saraswati river, which form the background of their land and the symbolism of their hymns.

One of the latest archeological ideas is that the Vedic culture is evidenced by Painted Grey Ware pottery in north India, which apears to date around 1000 BC and comes from the same region between the Ganges and Yamuna as later Vedic culture is related to. It is thought to be an inferior grade of pottery and to be associated with the use of iron that the 'Vedas' are thought to mention. However it is associated with a pig and rice culture, not the cow and barley culture of the 'Vedas'. Moreover it is now found to be an organic development of indegenous pottery, not an introduction of invaders.

Painted Grey Ware culture represents an indigenous cultural development and does not reflect any cultural intrusion from the West i.e. an Indo-Aryan invasion. Therefore, there is no archeological evidence corroborating the fact of an Indo-Aryan invasion.

In addition, the Aryans in the Middle East, most notably the Hittites, have now been found to have been in that region atleast as early as 2200 BC, wherein they are already mentioned. Hence the idea of an Aryan invasion into the Middle East has been pushed back some centuries, though the evidence so far is that the people of the mountain regions of the Middle East were Indo-Europeans as far as recorded history can prove.

The Aryan Kassites of the ancient Middle East worshipped Vedic Gods like Surya and the Maruts, as well as one named Himalaya. The Aryan Hittites and Mittani signed a treaty with the name of the Vedic Gods Indra, Mitra, Varuna and Nasatyas around 1400 BC. The Hittites have a treatise on chariot racing written in almost pure Sanskrit. The IndoEuropeans of the ancient Middle East thus spoke Indo-Aryan, not Indo-Iranian languages and thereby show a Vedic culture in that region of the world as well.

The Indus Valley culture had a form of writing, as evidenced by numerous seals found in the ruins. It was also assumed to be non-Vedic and probably Dravidian, though this was never proved. Now it has been shown that the majority of the late Indus signs are identical with those of later Hindu Brahmi and that there is an organic development between the two scripts. Prevalent models now suggest an Indo-European base for that language.

It was also assumed that the Indus Valley culture derived its civilization from the Middle East, probably Sumeria, as antecedents for it were not found in India. Recent French excavations at Mehrgarh have shown that all the antecedents of the Indus Valley culture can be found within the subcontinent and going back before 6000 BC.

In short, some Western scholars are beginning to reject the Aryan invasion or any outside origin for Hindu civilization.

Current archeological data do not support the existence of an Indo Aryan or European invasion into South Asia at any time in the preor protohistoric periods. Instead, it is possible to document archeologically a series of cultural changes reflecting indigenous cultural development from prehistoric to historic periods. The early Vedic literature describes not a human invasion into the area, but a fundamental restructuring of indigenous society. The Indo-Aryan invasion as an academic concept in 18th and 19th century Europe reflected the cultural milieu of the period. Linguistic data were used to validate the concept that in turn was used to interpret archeological and anthropological data.

In other words, Vedic literature was interpreted on the assumption that there was an Aryan invasion. Then archeological evidence was interpreted by the same assumption. And both interpretations were then used to justify each other. It is nothing but a tautology, an exercise in circular thinking that only proves that if assuming something is true, it is found to be true!

Another modern Western scholar, Colin Renfrew, places the IndoEuropeans in Greece as early as 6000 BC. He also suggests such a possible early date for their entry into India.

As far as I can see there is nothing in the Hymns of the 'Rig Veda' which demonstrates that the Vedic-speaking population was intrusive to the area: this comes rather from a historical assumption of the 'comming of the Indo-Europeans.

When Wheeler speaks of 'the Aryan invasion of the land of the 7 rivers, the Punjab', he has no warrenty at all, so far as I can see. If one checks the dozen references in the 'Rig Veda' to the 7 rivers, there is nothing in them that to me implies invasion: the land of the 7 rivers is the land of the 'Rig Veda', the scene of action. Nor is it implied that the inhabitants of the walled cities (including the Dasyus) were any more aboriginal than the Aryans themselves.

Despite Wheeler's comments, it is difficult to see what is particularly non-Aryan about the Indus Valley civilization. Hence Renfrew suggests that the Indus Valley civilization was in fact Indo-Aryan even prior to the Indus Valley era:

This hypothesis that early Indo-European languages were spoken in North India with Pakistan and on the Iranian plateau at the 6th millennium BC has the merit of harmonizing symmetrically with the theory for the origin of the IndoEuropean languages in Europe. It also emphasizes the continuity in the Indus Valley and adjacent areas from the early neolithic through to the floruit of the Indus Valley civilization.

This is not to say that such scholars appreciate or understand the 'Vedas' their work leaves much to be desired in this respect but that it is clear that the whole edifice built around the Aryan invasion is beginning to tumble on all sides. In addition, it does not mean that the 'Rig Veda' dates from the Indus Valley era. The Indus Valley culture resembles that of the 'Yajur Veda' and the reflect the pre-Indus period in India, when the Saraswati river was more prominent.

The acceptance of such views would create a revolution in our view of history as shattering as that in science caused by Einstein's theory of relativity. It would make ancient India perhaps the oldest, largest and most central of ancient cultures. It would mean that the Vedic literary record already the largest and oldest of the ancient world even at a 1500 BC date would be the record of teachings some centuries or thousands of years before that. It would mean that the 'Vedas' are our most authentic record of the ancient world. It would also tend to validate the Vedic view that the Indo-Europeans and other Aryan peoples were migrants from India, not that the Indo-Aryans were invaders into India. Moreover, it would affirm the Hindu tradition that the Dravidians were early offshoots of the Vedic people through the seer Agastya, and not unaryan peoples.

In closing, it is important to examine the social and political implications of the Aryan invasion idea:

  • First, it served to divide India into a northern Aryan and southern Dravidian culture which were made hostile to each other. This kept the Hindus divided and is still a source of social tension.
  • Second, it gave the British an excuse in their conquest of India. They could claim to be doing only what the Aryan ancestors of the Hindus had previously done millennia ago.
  • Third, it served to make Vedic culture later than and possibly derived from Middle Eastern cultures. With the proximity and relationship of the latter with the Bible and Christianity, this kept the Hindu religion as a sidelight to the development of religion and civilization to the West.
  • Fourth, it allowed the sciences of India to be given a Greek basis, as any Vedic basis was largely disqualified by the primitive nature of the Vedic culture.

This discredited not only the 'Vedas' but the genealogies of the 'Puranas' and their long list of the kings before the Buddha or Krishna were left without any historical basis. The 'Mahabharata', instead of a civil war in which all the main kings of India participated as it is described, became a local skirmish among petty princes that was later exaggerated by poets. In short, it discredited the most of the Hindu tradition and almost all its ancient literature. It turned its scriptures and sages into fantacies and exaggerations.

This served a social, political and economical purpose of domination, proving the superiority of Western culture and religion. It made the Hindus feel that their culture was not the great thing that their sages and ancestors had said it was. It made Hindus feel ashamed of their culture that its basis was neither historical nor scientific. It made them feel that the main line of civilization was developed first in the Middle East and then in Europe and that the culture of India was peripheral and secondary to the real development of world culture.

Such a view is not good scholarship or archeology but merely cultural imperialism. The Western Vedic scholars did in the intellectual spehere what the British army did in the political realm discredit, divide and conquer the Hindus. In short, the compelling reasons for the Aryan invasion theory were neither literary nor archeological but political and religious that is to say, not scholarship but prejudice. Such prejudice may not have been intentional but deep-seated political and religious views easily cloud and blur our thinking.

It is unfortunate that this this approach has not been questioned more, particularly by Hindus. Even though Indian Vedic scholars like Dayananda saraswati, Bal Gangadhar Tilak and Arobindo rejected it, most Hindus today passively accept it. They allow Western, generally Christian, scholars to interpret their history for them and quite naturally Hinduism is kept in a reduced role. Many Hindus still accept, read or even honor the translations of the 'Vedas' done by such Christian missionary scholars as Max Muller, Griffith, MonierWilliams and H. H. Wilson. Would modern Christians accept an interpretation of the Bible or Biblical history done by Hindus aimed at converting them to Hinduism? Universities in India also use the Western history books and Western Vedic translations that propound such views that denigrate their own culture and country.

The modern Western academic world is sensitive to critisms of cultural and social biases. For scholars to take a stand against this biased interpretation of the 'Vedas' would indeed cause a reexamination of many of these historical ideas that can not stand objective scrutiny. But if Hindu scholars are silent or passively accept the misinterpretation of their own culture, it will undoubtly continue, but they will have no one to blame but themselves. It is not an issue to be taken lightly, because how a culture is defined historically creates the perspective from which it is viewed in the modern social and intellectual context. Tolerance is not in allowing a false view of one's own culture and religion to be propagated without question. That is merely self-betrayal.

The Taj Mahal

The most beautiful building in the world is in Agra near Delhi. In 1631 the emperor Shah Jahan built the Taj Mahal in memory of his wife Mumtaz, who died in childbirth. The white marble mausoleum at Agra has become the monument of a man's love for a woman.

Shah Jahan came to power in 1622 when he seized the throne from his father, while murdering his brothers to ensure his claim to rule. He was known as an extravagant and cruel leader. But he redeemed himself by his generosity to his friends and the poor, by his passion in adorning India with some of its most beautiful architecture, and by his devotion to his wife Mumtaz Mahal - "Ornament of the Palace." He had married her when he was 21, when he already had two children by an earlier consort. Mumtaz gave her husband 14 children in eighteen years, and died at the age of 39 during the birth of the final child. Shah Jahan built the Taj Mahal as a monument to her memory and her fertility, but then relapsed into a life of scandalous behavior. This tomb was only one of hundreds of beautiful buildings that Shah Jahan erected, mostly at Agra and in the new Dehli that came into being under his planning.

Many architects have rated it as the most perfect of all buildings standing on earth. Three artists designed it: a Persian, an Italian, and a Frenchman. But the design is completely Mohammedan. Even the skilled artisans who built it were brought in from Baghdad, Constantinople, and other centers of the Muslim faith. For 22 years more than 20,000 workmen were forced to build the Taj. The Maharaja of Jaipur sent the marble as a gift to Shah Jahan. The building and its surroundings cost more than $200,000,000 in todays currency.

Passing through a high wall, one comes suddently upon the Taj - raised upon a marble platform, and framed on either side by handsome mosques and stately minarets. In the foreground spacious gardens enclose a pool in whose waters the inverted palace becomes a quivering dream. Every portion of the structure is of white marble, precious metals, or costly stones. The building is a complex figure of twelve sides, four of which are portals. A slender minaret rises at each corner, and the roof is a massive spired dome. The main entrance, once guarded with solid silver gates, is a maze of marble embroidery; inlaid in the wall in jeweled script are qotations from the Koran, one of which invites the "pure in heart" to enter "the gardens of Paradise."

Shah Jahan had begun his reign by killing his brothers; but he had neglected to kill his sons, one of whom was destined to overthrow him. In 1657 his son Aurangzeb led an insurrection from the Deccan. Aurangzeb defeated all the forces sent against him, captured his father, and imprisoned him in the Fort of Agra. For 9 bitter years the deposed emperor lingered there, never visited by his son, attended only by his faithful daughter Jahanara, and spending his days looking from the Jasmine Tower of his prison across the Jumna to where his once-beloved Mumtaz lay in her jeweled tomb.

The new emperor Aurangzeb was a more pious Muslim than his father Shah Jahan had been. He memorized the entire Koran, spent days in fasts, and campaigned against infidelity. He cared little for luxuries, but, paradoxically, gave the world one of its most perfect works of art: a marble screen inside the Taj Mahal. Native and European thieves robbed the tomb of its abundant jewels, and of the gold railing, encrusted with precious stones, that once enclosed the sarcophagi of Shah Jahan and his Queen. Aurangzeb replaced the railing with an octagonal screen of almost transparent marble, carved into a miracle of alabaster lace. Few products of human art have ever surpassed the beauty of this screen.

From afar the Taj Mahal, with its delicate details, is not imposing. Only a nearer view reveals that its perfection has no proportion to its size. When in our hurried times, we see enormous structures of a hundred stories raised in a year, and then consider how 20,000 men worked for 22 years on this little tomb, hardly a hundred feet high, we begin to sense the difference between industry and art. And perhaps more importantly, we sense the ultimate lesson it offers: beauty and that which lasts, is based on love.


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Informed Ignorance [183 words]TajuddinAug 29, 2006 03:3153691
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quran [143 words]shihabMar 2, 2009 20:0053691
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w/response from Daniel Pipes
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A Little Bit of Reading Never Harmed Anyone [268 words]Georges FernandezAug 21, 2006 02:4853540
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Search for the facts, not the term [597 words]Amitabh tripathiAug 19, 2006 04:4853430
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facts n Islam n Islamic fascism [74 words]ASDec 21, 2006 07:2453430
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Anti Jihad humor [49 words]Seamus MacNemiJul 9, 2007 19:4653324
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Wordly Conundrum [104 words]Robert KennedyAug 16, 2006 20:1253141
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see [53 words]gddNov 27, 2007 22:1453141
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w/response from Daniel Pipes
saveAug 16, 2006 14:5753100
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false allegations [191 words]krishna chettriAug 26, 2006 17:1153087
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Stephen Schwartz disagrees, too [119 words]Dan Schwartz (Cherry Hill, NJ)Aug 16, 2006 12:4553063
Islamism, fascism and marxism [484 words]Concerned EuropeanAug 16, 2006 04:0253019
Poor semantics; good propaganda [50 words]rwAug 16, 2006 03:5753018
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"Islamofascists or Islamic fascism [128 words]Fazal CurmallyAug 16, 2006 00:4752988
thanks [18 words]Un DrainAug 17, 2006 14:0252988
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The fear of Islam in America [76 words]f.shakkiAug 15, 2006 22:4352971
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Fascism and Islamism [214 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Andy B.Aug 15, 2006 22:2852967
Islamic fascism a better term [83 words]Christine BurttAug 15, 2006 20:3252950
Islamic Supremacists [13 words]Levi MoriahAug 15, 2006 20:1752947
"Islamic Supremacy" [112 words]GS BrandAug 15, 2006 19:0352939
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Knowledge is the Key [285 words]Salahuddin KuliyevNov 16, 2009 13:1852936
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Religion & Paece [91 words]Shaun GilmoreAug 15, 2006 12:2052906
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Historical/Philosophical Connections [249 words]Ed HalperAug 15, 2006 11:2852903
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1Muslim Terrorists is appropriate name [94 words]JaladhiAug 15, 2006 09:3952896
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Islamofascists hits the mark better [69 words]Yossi Ben-AharonAug 15, 2006 04:3452880
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Islam Is As Islam Was [67 words]InfidelAug 15, 2006 17:0152879
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Islam's valuable contribution to Air travel [422 words]War against TerrorismAug 16, 2006 14:0552879
Scare the living daylights out of them! [110 words]Thomas Justin KazeAug 15, 2006 04:2152877
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i'll call it what it is [105 words]jimmytheclawAug 15, 2006 01:4152869
We have named the enemy are we prepared to engage them? [551 words]NuclearWinterAug 15, 2006 01:1752868
We have to start preparing for the final battle after Muslim attack innocents by NBCs [291 words]ArjunAug 17, 2006 02:2552868
The Ones that Aren't Fascists-- [213 words]William KinneyAug 15, 2006 01:0552865
The Ruthless Fascist Army with 1.4 billion soldiers called ISLAM [356 words]TTSAug 15, 2006 00:5452862
Call spade a spade [64 words]RobertAug 15, 2006 18:3952862
To understand the enemy.... [16 words]NemesisJul 21, 2007 11:4752862
you said you've studied Islam...? [181 words]AJOct 19, 2007 11:1852862
Avoid such false accusations [194 words]Muhammad Tahir MazariMar 30, 2009 08:3252862
Crass Islamic Hypocrisy [64 words]wotthefiqhOct 5, 2009 12:1952862
please study [32 words]MuslimDec 9, 2011 09:1952862
Islamists [116 words]GFAug 15, 2006 00:5352861
Definitely Fascists [69 words]Salomon BenzimraAug 15, 2006 00:4152860
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Militant Islam [370 words]Mitzi AlvinAug 15, 2006 00:1252857
We need a naming contest [273 words]LeeAug 15, 2006 00:0552856
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Admission? [39 words]Abu NudnikAug 14, 2006 23:5152853
Call A Spade A Spade [857 words]John RAug 14, 2006 23:3052852
There is a history of islamo-fascism [123 words]Robert WoodAug 15, 2006 14:5052852
The Solution [126 words]moyalAug 14, 2006 23:1352851
Religion of Peace [394 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Bill HyltonAug 14, 2006 22:5852848
The other strategic thing President Bush has done is to recognize India as a major nuclear power [134 words]SullyAug 16, 2006 01:2952848
meaning of the "religion of peace" [111 words]Concerned EuropeanAug 16, 2006 04:1552848
4USA , India , Israel ,Australia, UK are frontline allies in the War against Islamic Terrorism [211 words]TaurusAug 18, 2006 08:1752848
Aus [6 words]Jim (aus)Sep 6, 2010 07:5952848
Islamist ????? [476 words]JacquelineAug 14, 2006 22:4752846
Islamo-Nazis (vs. Islamists or Islamo-fascists) [31 words]Robert J. Meth, MDAug 14, 2006 22:2352840
"ISLAMIC FASCISM" CANNOT EXIST! [162 words]Allan E. MallenbaumAug 14, 2006 22:1552839
Historical links between Fascism and Islam [115 words]Prof. Irving HexhamAug 18, 2006 01:4052839
"ISLAMIC FASCISM" CANNOT EXIST! FASCIST MUSLIMS CAN! [55 words]Allan E. MallenbaumAug 18, 2006 20:1052839
Islamic Fascism and Conversion to Islam [169 words]Prof. Irving HexhamAug 19, 2006 16:3952839
CHARACTERISTICS OF FASCISM [64 words]GERSON JACOBSAug 14, 2006 22:1352837
When is a terrorist not an Islamic terrorist [431 words]Lloyd KleinAug 14, 2006 22:0352835
Just call them Muslims [245 words]Fred StoneAug 14, 2006 21:5252832
Muslim will launch intifada in Europe and will destroy European Continent from within [266 words]TatabhuAug 19, 2006 05:0752832
bitter pill [7 words]williamsOct 5, 2007 17:3352832
RE: Call them Muslims! [16 words]swoozyOct 19, 2007 19:0752832
a rose by any other name [213 words]Andria SwitzerAug 14, 2006 21:5152831
Call them what they are [130 words]Donald Grant Cheesman, USA (RETIRED)Aug 14, 2006 21:3052828
ISLAMIC FASCISTS [604 words]ROSEAug 14, 2006 21:2052826
Islam is a political ideology [426 words]HowardAug 14, 2006 21:1752825
Were all the Immigrant Officials muslim or did the Brits keel over? [38 words]wyzeoleowlAug 14, 2006 20:4252824
Islamic Barbarians [124 words]Donald OAug 14, 2006 20:2752821
Islamo fascists. [30 words]Milton FriedAug 14, 2006 19:4652809
new terms for suicide bomber [87 words]Mitch BAug 14, 2006 19:4452808
suicide murder [16 words]Ed HalperAug 15, 2006 21:5352808
MPED-- massacre, pillage, enslavement, and deportation [101 words]William Sumner ScottAug 14, 2006 19:3052806
Terminology [16 words]AlAug 14, 2006 19:2352804
Right idea, wrong terminology [172 words]Alan GoldAug 14, 2006 19:1952802
Islamic fascism is the best term [138 words]AdamAug 14, 2006 19:1652801
Anything better than "Islamic extremism" will do. [185 words]C.A.Aug 14, 2006 19:0352797
"Obsession" film documents Hitler, Mayor of Baghdad, fascism connection. [24 words]James JohnsonAug 14, 2006 18:5752795
Islam Ideology [143 words]Paul RinderleAug 14, 2006 17:5852792
Thank you, folks [61 words]LDCAug 14, 2006 20:0152792
Terminology [226 words]Douglas BoggsAug 14, 2006 17:2552790
A jihad by any other name.... [234 words]Jinan SafwatAug 15, 2006 01:0852790
Challenge Muslims with their own faityh texts. [58 words]SteveAug 14, 2006 17:2252789
Islamofacism [58 words]Mari Ann AndrieuxAug 14, 2006 17:1852788
Islamofascist is the better term [296 words]PatAug 14, 2006 17:1152787
it is about time, or is it? [321 words]andrew freedmanAug 14, 2006 17:0952786
Islamic Fascism? Islamic Totalitarianism? "A Rose By Any Other Name....." [272 words]Mark AndersonAug 14, 2006 16:5952785
Islamism = fascism [85 words]Octavio JohansonAug 14, 2006 16:4752783
Pit NAzrallah against Bin Laden [67 words]SwaminathanAug 14, 2006 16:2052781
Calling spade a spade hurts [143 words]SwaminathanAug 14, 2006 16:1652780
islamic fascists [141 words]robert fusfeldAug 14, 2006 16:1452779
To paraphrase William Shakespeare: "Excrement" by any other name would smell as bad [474 words]Dr RJPAug 14, 2006 15:4752775
not to paraphrase but to quote Montaigne and Erasmus: [55 words]charles fortnerAug 15, 2006 17:4752775
political correctness [10 words]DonnaAug 14, 2006 15:4552773
CAIR Heirs of the German-American Bund [14 words]LDCAug 14, 2006 15:4452772
Lashkar e Taibba and Al Qaida : Militant Islam will destroy India with in ten years [1729 words]chandubanaAug 16, 2006 14:2752772
the bitter truth! [207 words]bitter pillOct 5, 2007 18:0152772
Warning !!!! [20 words]RamSep 21, 2009 22:4352772
no body can even touch india [34 words]prasadOct 4, 2009 13:1852772
to destroy terrorism [55 words]samyOct 31, 2009 09:3152772
supporting let [4 words]vivekDec 18, 2009 03:1952772
fascism, terrorism, cold blodded killers;they are all the same [125 words]islamic fascismAug 14, 2006 15:4052771
IslamoNazi will be a good name too [9 words]ArieAug 14, 2006 15:3552770
The Right Term [7 words]Josh TichoAug 14, 2006 15:2552769
Islamofacist, terrorists, radical Islamists...forgive us if we've hurt you and your brothers' feelings!!!! [245 words]JustMeAug 14, 2006 15:2452768
Significant Majority of Muslims Support Islamic Terrorism and Suicide Bombings [120 words]RexAug 19, 2006 04:5452768
Islamists" is probaly the most accurate term, but... [140 words]Junius2006Aug 14, 2006 15:2152767
Islamist Fascists [131 words]Ken G.Aug 14, 2006 15:1252766
title for Muslim fascists: [7 words]Hal LewisAug 14, 2006 15:1052765
could tide be turning? [216 words]Bill RandlesAug 14, 2006 15:0552764
Islamists or Muslim Terrorists? [113 words]InfidelAug 14, 2006 15:0352763
Muslim Terrorists [53 words]JaladhiAug 15, 2006 10:4352763
Great Minds Think Alike [12 words]InfidelAug 16, 2006 02:0652763
tiptoeing thru the tulip [55 words]mbrandiAug 14, 2006 14:5852760
Charade of likes of CAIR [51 words]JaladhiAug 14, 2006 14:5652757
A Cult is a Cult is a Cult [573 words]ChristinaAug 14, 2006 14:4352756
Some parallels of historical fascism and islamicism [97 words]Jack GoldbergAug 14, 2006 14:4352755
Response to condemning only the "Islamic Facists [100 words]philip mannesAug 14, 2006 14:4052754
Next up ... [35 words]Victor PurintonAug 14, 2006 14:3252752
Militant Islams or Islamic fascism [244 words]Nenette GrunbergAug 14, 2006 14:1952749
Islam and reason [46 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
gnargtharstAug 14, 2006 14:1052746
1Woe to me that I dwell amidst the tents of Kadar. I am a man of peace but they are for war. Psalms [186 words]MichaelAug 14, 2006 14:0652744
Islamofascists [54 words]David G. VieiraAug 14, 2006 13:5552743
Mel Gibson, Karr Vs Muhammad Vs CNN, CNBC, FOX [41 words]Hari IyerAug 17, 2006 22:0652743
Islamic Fascism [183 words]FX MeaneyAug 14, 2006 13:5252742
Islamic Fascists or Islamists [143 words]Chris ChrismanAug 14, 2006 13:4452741
Marxism, Leninism, Fascism, Islamism, Enemies of the Enlightenment [218 words]Paul SaundersAug 14, 2006 13:3052739
Islamic Supremacists: That's the Term [308 words]JoeAug 14, 2006 13:2552736
Islamic fascists [68 words]Bob HamiltonAug 14, 2006 13:2152732
criteria of fascism [224 words]G. BisvasAug 14, 2006 13:0852729
Islamic Fascists [60 words]Alyn StarkmanAug 14, 2006 13:0652728
Correct title for our enemy [75 words]Sigmund SilberAug 14, 2006 12:5552726
Islamic Insanity [174 words]Robert GuinaughAug 14, 2006 12:5152724
Moderate muslim [18 words]b29Aug 15, 2006 16:1952724
"Islamist" is wonkish [77 words]Dan Schwartz (Cherry Hill, NJ)Aug 14, 2006 12:5152723
It is Islam, dummy [1359 words]Amil ImaniAug 14, 2006 12:4852722
scratching the surface [66 words]T.RoderickAug 14, 2006 22:3852722
Getting it! [22 words]Bill StoreyAug 15, 2006 20:2652722
Look at History [83 words]KathyDec 19, 2006 01:4852722
Islamic Fascists & Islamo-Fascists. What's in a name? [94 words]Robert H. Tyrka Sr.Aug 14, 2006 12:4752721
Islamic Fascists are "Jihadists" [110 words]TopnifeAug 14, 2006 12:4652720
The right label [11 words]Brooks ImperialAug 14, 2006 12:4652719
Accountability [85 words]David W. LincolnAug 14, 2006 12:3952717
No need for hyphens [7 words]Ron KilmartinAug 14, 2006 12:3152716
How about "totalitarian Islamists?" [4 words]McGinleyAug 14, 2006 12:1452715
What should we call the terrorists? [76 words]William SpillerAug 14, 2006 12:1152714
At war... [217 words]SHmuel HaLeviAug 14, 2006 12:1052713
Islamic Fascists? [90 words]Ken NebelAug 14, 2006 12:0852712
'Islamofascist' fits the bill [268 words]Henrik R ClausenAug 14, 2006 11:5852711
Fascists or Nazis? [73 words]Tom MillsAug 14, 2006 11:5552710
to give a name to the chief terrorists of today [4 words]W.VandenbergAug 14, 2006 11:5252709
Islam [60 words]Alan WintersAug 14, 2006 11:4452708
Prof.Daniel Pipes has given the most appropriate term " Militant Islam" [139 words]MohitAug 14, 2006 11:4152707
traditional or orthodox muslims [49 words]justsayno2islamAug 14, 2006 11:1552705
The Truth Has To Be Told Who We Are At War With [63 words]AnneMAug 14, 2006 10:3752703
20World War III : Islam versus the Rest [153 words]RonyAug 16, 2006 14:3952703
I think the Muslims extremists forgot who ordered and funded the Crusades [61 words]JennySep 4, 2006 15:2752703
Crusades [4813 words]Angel B.Nov 6, 2006 13:4152703
1death of america? [40 words]world warrior IIIOct 26, 2007 03:3952703
PEACE Peace PEACE [344 words]cOMMON mUSLIMDec 13, 2008 15:5752703
islam [173 words]muslimMar 9, 2009 12:3552703
islam and war [12 words]SamAug 5, 2009 19:5852703
Ah yes, those who have converted??? [158 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiOct 14, 2009 23:3052703
1Great pease needs sometimes great voilence [155 words]Ajay SinghOct 6, 2010 00:1752703
THE WEST MUST URGENTLY NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE DANGER OF ISLAM [597 words]KINDWORLDJul 3, 2011 08:5852703

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