Submitted by Eric Thomas (Kuwait), Aug 23, 2006 at 15:58
Dear Ronaldo Ferrario,
My name is Eric Thomas,
I am from the south part of India known as Kerala.
Fifty years ago on January 30, 1948, India's "Father of the Nation", Mahatma Gandhi, was assassinated.
Gandhi, one of the world's most famous pacifists, was killed by a fellow Hindu (Nadhu Ram Godsey).
The name "mahatma" means "great soul", and his philosophy of peaceful resistance is widely credited with having forced the peaceful end of British rule of India in 1947, the year before his death. He was born Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi on October 2, 1869, into a family of merchants.
Breaking with caste tradition, he went to England to study law when he was 19. His fellow students shunned him because he was an Indian. It was in London that he read Henry David Thoreau's "Civil Disobedience", which inspired his principle of non-violence.
Indira Gandhi the only daughter of Jawaharlal Nehru ( Indira Firose Khan is the real name after her marriage with firoze khan ) (1917-1984) was the only child of Kamla and Jawaharlal Nehru. She spent part of her childhood in Allahabad, where the Nehrus had their family residence, and part in Switzerland, where her mother Kamla convalesced from her periodic illnesses. She received her college education at Somerville College, Oxford. A famous photograph from her childhood shows her sitting by the bedside of Mahatma Gandhi, as he recovered from one of his fasts; and though she was not actively involved in the freedom struggle, she came to know the entire Indian political leadership. After India's attainment of independence, and the ascendancy of Jawaharlal Nehru, now a widower, to the office of the Prime Minister, Indira Gandhi managed the official residence of her father, and accompanied him on his numerous foreign trips. She had been married in 1942 to Feroze Khan(Later adopted by Mahatma Gandhi and given his name as Firoze Ghandhi) , who rose to some eminence as a parliamentarian and politician of integrity but found himself disliked by his more famous father-in-law, but Feroze died in 1960 before he could consolidate his own political forces.
Mrs. Indira Gandhi, Prime Minister of India, 1966-77 and 1980-84. She was assassinated in 1984. In 1964, the year of her father's death, Indira Gandhi was for the first time elected to Parliament, and she was Minister of Information and Broadcasting in the government of Lal Bahadur Shastri, who died unexpectedly of a heart attack less than two years after assuming office.
The numerous contenders for the position of the Prime Ministership, unable to agree among themselves, picked Indira Gandhi as a compromise candidate, and each thought that she would be easily manipulable. But Indira Gandhi showed extraordinary political skills and tenacity and elbowed the Congress dons -- Kamaraj, Morarji Desai, and others -- out of power. She held the office of the Prime Minister from 1966 to 1977. She was riding the crest of popularity after India's triumph in the war of 1971 against Pakistan, and the explosion of a nuclear device in 1974 helped to enhance her reputation among middle-class Indians as a tough and shrewd political leader.
However, by 1973, Delhi and north India were rocked by demonstrations angry at high inflation, the poor state of the economy, rampant corruption, and the poor standards of living. In June 1975, the High Court of Allahabad found her guilty of using illegal practices during the last election campaign, and ordered her to vacate her seat. There were demands for her resignation.
Mrs. Gandhi's response was to declare a state of emergency, under which her political foes were imprisoned, constitutional rights abrogated, and the press placed under strict censorship. Meanwhile, the eldest of her two sons, Sanjay Gandhi, started to run the country as though it were his personal fiefdom, and earned the fierce hatred of many whom his policies had victimized. He ordered the removal of slum dwellings, and in an attempt to curb India's growing population, initiated a highly resented program of forced sterilization. In early 1977, confident that she had debilitated her opposition, Mrs. Gandhi called for fresh elections, and found herself trounced by a newly formed coalition of several political parties. Her Congress party lost badly at the polls. Many declared that she was a spent force; but, three years later, she was to return as Prime Minister of India. The same year, however, her son Sanjay was killed in an airplane crash.
In the second, post-Emergency, period of her Prime Ministership, Indira Gandhi was preoccupied by efforts to resolve the political problems in the state of Punjab. In her attempt to crush the secessionist movement of Sikh militants, led by Jarnail Singh Bindranwale, she ordered an assault upon the holiest Sikh shrine in Amritsar, called the "Golden Temple". It is here that Bindranwale and his armed supporters had holed up, and it is from the Golden Temple that they waged their campaign of terrorism not merely against the Government, but against moderate Sikhs and Hindus. "Operation Bluestar", waged in June 1984, led to the death of Bindranwale, and the Golden Temple was stripped clean of Sikh terrorists; however, the Golden Temple was damaged, and Mrs. Gandhi earned the undying hatred of Sikhs who bitterly resented the desacralization of their sacred space. In November of the same year, Mrs. Gandhi was assassinated, at her residence, by two of her own Sikh bodyguards, who claimed to be avenging the insult heaped upon the Sikh nation.
Mrs. Gandhi acquired a formidable international reputation as a "statesman", and there is no doubt that she was extraordinarily skilled in politics. She was prone, like many other politicians, to thrive on slogans, and one -- Garibi Hatao, "Remove Poverty" -- became the rallying cry for one of her election campaigns. She had an authoritarian streak, and though a cultured woman, rarely tolerated dissent; and she did, in many respects, irreparable harm to Indian democracy. Apart from her infamous imposition of the internal emergency, the use of the army to resolve internal disputes greatly increased in her time; and she encouraged a culture of sycophancy and nepotism. At her death, her older son, Rajiv Gandhi, was sworn in as head of the Congress party and Prime Minister.
Rajiv Gandhi Original Name should be Rajiv Firoze), the 46-year-old former Indian prime minister, has been assassinated.
He was campaigning for the Congress Party on the second day of voting in the world's largest democratic election when a powerful bomb, hidden in a basket of flowers, exploded, killing him instantly.
Born into a family of modest means in an Italian village on the banks of a river 57 years ago, Sonia Maino, now Sonia Gandhi (Original name should be Sonia Rajiv, ), has weaved a dramatic way to a place in history by becoming the President of India's century-old Congress party. Being the third woman of foreign origin to hold the prestigious post after Annie Beasant and Nelli Sengupta, Sonia Gandhi also became the fifth from the Nehru family to take over the Congress reins. The other four were Motilal Nehru, Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi. Indira Firoze , Rajiv firoze, Sonia Rajive , Rahul Rajiv or Priyanka Robert has no relation with Ghandi family. Mk Ghandhi was a brahmin from porbander in gujarat and MOtilal Nehru from Kashmir (Kashmiri pandit.
The magic name of Ghandi is used by Nehru family for some political Gains. We can see the original ghandi family is no were in the political scene of india.
Babari masjid /Ram mandir
In the best medieval traditions, the mosque was built on the foundations of a razed Hindu temple, which is believed to mark the spot of the birth of Rama, hero of the Ramayana, one of -- and the less philosophical of -- the two Hindu epics. (The other is the Mahabharata, recently reinterpreted rather successfully for international audiences by Peter Brook. In the popular imagination of the Hindu community, Rama has been the ideal hero-king for centuries. Even Mahatma Gandhi was his devotee, and songs in his praise were sung at his public prayer meetings every day. A major Hindu figure, then, whose birthplace is (was, rather) graced by a Muslim mosque.
The Myth of the Aryan Invasion of India
By David Frawley
One of the main ideas used to interpret and generally devalue the ancient history of India is the theory of the Aryan invasion. According to this account, India was invaded and conquered by nomadic light-skinned Indo-European tribes from Central Asia around 1500-100 BC, who overthrew an earlier and more advanced dark-skinned Dravidian civilization from which they took most of what later became Hindu culture. This so-called pre-Aryan civilization is said to be evidenced by the large urban ruins of what has been called the "Indus valley culture" (as most of its initial sites were on the Indus river). The war between the powers of light and darkness, a prevalent idea in ancient Aryan Vedic scriptures, was thus interpreted to refer to this war between light and dark skinned peoples. The Aryan invasion theory thus turned the "Vedas", the original scriptures of ancient India and the Indo-Aryans, into little more than primitive poems of uncivilized plunderers.
This idea totally foreign to the history of India, whether north or south has become almost an unquestioned truth in the interpretation of ancient history Today, after nearly all the reasons for its supposed validity have been refuted, even major Western scholars are at last beginning to call it in question.
In this article we will summarize the main points that have arisen. This is a complex subject that I have dealt with in depth in my book "Gods, Sages and Kings: Vedic Secrets of Ancient Civilization", for those interested in further examination of the subject.
The Indus valley culture was pronounced pre-Aryans for several reasons that were largely part of the cultural milieu of nineteenth century European thinking As scholars following Max Mullar had decided that the Aryans came into India around 1500 BC, since the Indus valley culture was earlier than this, they concluded that it had to be preAryan. Yet the rationale behind the late date for the Vedic culture given by Muller was totally speculative. Max Muller, like many of the Christian scholars of his era, believed in Biblical chronology. This placed the beginning of the world at 400 BC and the flood around 2500 BC. Assuming to those two dates, it became difficult to get the Aryans in India before 1500 BC.
Muller therefore assumed that the five layers of the four 'Vedas' & 'Upanishads' were each composed in 200 year periods before the Buddha at 500 BC. However, there are more changes of language in Vedic Sanskrit itself than there are in classical Sanskrit since Panini, also regarded as a figure of around 500 BC, or a period of 2500 years. Hence it is clear that each of these periods could have existed for any number of centuries and that the 200 year figure is totally arbitrary and is likely too short a figure.
It was assumed by these scholars many of whom were also Christian missionaries unsympathetic to the 'Vedas' that the Vedic culture was that of primitive nomads from Central Asia. Hence they could not have founded any urban culture like that of the Indus valley. The only basis for this was a rather questionable interpretation of the 'Rig Veda' that they made, ignoring the sophisticated nature of the culture presented within it.
Meanwhile, it was also pointed out that in the middle of the second millennium BC, a number of Indo-European invasions apparently occured in the Middle East, wherein Indo-European peoples the Hittites, Mit tani and Kassites conquered and ruled Mesopotamia for some centuries. An Aryan invasion of India would have been another version of this same movement of Indo-European peoples. On top of this, excavators of the Indus valley culture, like Wheeler, thought they found evidence of destruction of the culture by an outside invasion confirming this.
The Vedic culture was thus said to be that of primitive nomads who came out of Central Asia with their horse-drawn chariots and iron weapons and overthrew the cities of the more advanced Indus valley culture, with their superior battle tactics. It was pointed out that no horses, chariots or iron was discovered in Indus valley sites.
This was how the Aryan invasion theory formed and has remained since then. Though little has been discovered that confirms this theory, there has been much hesitancy to question it, much less to give it up.
Further excavations discovered horses not only in Indus Valley sites but also in pre-Indus sites. The use of the horse has thus been proven for the whole range of ancient Indian history. Evidence of the wheel, and an Indus seal showing a spoked wheel as used in chariots, has also been found, suggesting the usage of chariots.
Moreover, the whole idea of nomads with chariots has been challenged. Chariots are not the vehicles of nomads. Their usage occured only in ancient urban cultures with much flat land, of which the river plain of north India was the most suitable. Chariots are totally unsuitable for crossing mountains and deserts, as the so-called Aryan invasion required.
That the Vedic culture used iron & must hence date later than the introduction of iron around 1500 BC revolves around the meaning of the Vedic term "ayas", interpreted as iron. 'Ayas' in other Indo- European languages like Latin or German usually means copper, bronze or ore generally, not specially iron. There is no reason to insist that in such earlier Vedic times, 'ayas' meant iron, particularly since other metals are not mentioned in the 'Rig Veda' (except gold that is much more commonly referred to than ayas). Moreover, the 'Atharva Veda' and 'Yajur Veda' speak of different colors of 'ayas'(such as red & black), showing that it was a generic term. Hence it is clear that 'ayas' generally meant metal and not specifically iron.
Moreover, the enemies of the Vedic people in the 'Rig Veda' also use ayas, even for making their cities, as do the Vedic people themselves. Hence there is nothing in Vedic literture to show that either the Vedic culture was an ironbased culture or that there enemies were not.
The 'Rig Veda' describes its Gods as 'destroyers of cities'. This was used also to regard the Vedic as a primitive non-urban culture that destroys cities and urban civilization. However, there are also many verses in the 'Rig Veda' that speak of the Aryans as having having cities of their own and being protected by cities upto a hundred in number. Aryan Gods like Indra, Agni, Saraswati and the Adityas are praised as being like a city. Many ancient kings, including those of Egypt and Mesopotamia, had titles like destroyer or conquerer of cities. This does not turn them into nomads. Destruction of cities also happens in modern wars; this does not make those who do this nomads. Hence the idea of Vedic culture as destroying but not building the cities is based upon ignoring what the Vedas actually say about their own cities.
Further excavation revealed that the Indus Valley culture was not des- troyed by outside invasion, but according to internal causes and, most likely, floods. Most recently a new set of cities has been found in India (like the Dwaraka and Bet Dwaraka sites by S.R. Rao and the National Institute of Oceanography in India) which are intermidiate between those of the Indus culture and later ancient India as visited by the Greeks. This may eliminate the so-called dark age following the presumed Aryan invasion and shows a continuous urban occupation in India back to the beginning of the Indus culture.
The interpretation of the religion of the Indus Valley culture -made incidentlly by scholars such as Wheeler who were not religious scholars much less students of Hinduism was that its religion was different than the Vedic and more likely the later Shaivite religion. However, further excavations both in Indus Valley site in Gujarat, like Lothal, and those in Rajsthan, like Kalibangan show large number of fire altars like those used in the Vedic religion, along with bones of oxen, potsherds, shell jewelry and other items used in the rituals described in the 'Vedic Brahmanas'. Hence the Indus Valley culture evidences many Vedic practices that can not be merely coincidental. That some of its practices appeared non-Vedic to its excavators may also be attributed to their misunderstanding or lack of knowledge of Vedic and Hindu culture generally, wherein Vedism and Shaivism are the same basic tradition.
We must remember that ruins do not necessarily have one interpretation. Nor does the ability to discover ruins necessarily gives the ability to interpret them correctly.
The Vedic people were thought to have been a fair-skinned race like the Europeans owing to the Vedic idea of a war between light and darkness, and the Vedic people being presented as children of light or children of the sun. Yet this idea of a war between light and darkness exists in most ancient cultures, including the Persian and the Egyptian. Why don't we interpret their scriptures as a war between light and dark-skinned people? It is purely a poetic metaphor, not a cultural statement. Moreover, no real traces of such a race are found in India.
Anthropologists have observed that the present population of Gujarat is composed of more or less the same ethnic groups as are noticed at Lothal in 2000 BC. Similarly, the present population of the Punjab is said to be ethnically the same as the population of Harappa and Rupar 4000 years ago. Linguistically the present day population of Gujrat and Punjab belongs to the Indo-Aryan language speaking group. The only inference that can be drawn from the anthropological and linguistic evidences adduced above is that the Harappan population in the Indus Valley and Gujrat in 2000 BC was composed of two or more groups, the more dominent among them having very close ethnic affinities with the present day Indo-Aryan speaking population of India.
In other words there is no racial evidence of any such Indo-Aryan invasion of India but only of a continuity of the same group of people who traditionally considered themselves to be Aryans.
There are many points in fact that prove the Vedic nature of the Indus Valley culture. Further excavation has shown that the great majority of the sites of the Indus Valley culture were east, not west of Indus. In fact, the largest concentration of sites appears in an area of Punjab and Rajsthan near the dry banks of ancient Saraswati and Drishadvati rivers. The Vedic culture was said to have been founded by the sage Manu between the banks of Saraswati and Drishadvati rivers. The Saraswati is lauded as the main river (naditama) in the 'Rig Veda' & is the most frequently mentioned in the text. It is said to be a great flood and to be wide, even endless in size. Saraswati is said to be "pure in course from the mountains to the sea". Hence the Vedic people were well acquainted with this river and regarded it as their immemorial hoemland.
The Saraswati, as modern land studies now reveal, was indeed one of the largest, if not the largest river in India. In early ancient and pre-historic times, it once drained the Sutlej, Yamuna and the Ganges, whose courses were much different than they are today. However, the Saraswati river went dry at the end of the Indus Valley culture and before the so-called Aryan invasion or before 1500 BC. In fact this may have caused the ending of the Indus culture. How could the Vedic Aryans know of this river and establish their culture on its banks if it dried up before they arrived? Indeed the Saraswati as described in the 'Rig Veda' appears to more accurately show it as it was prior to the Indus Valley culture as in the Indus era it was already in decline.
Vedic and late Vedic texts also contain interesting astronomical lore. The Vedic calender was based upon astronomical sightings of the equinoxes and solstices. Such texts as 'Vedanga Jyotish' speak of a time when the vernal equinox was in the middle of the Nakshtra Aslesha (or about 23 degrees 20 minutes Cancer). This gives a date of 1300 BC. The 'Yajur Veda' and 'Atharva Veda' speak of the vernal equinox in the Krittikas (Pleiades; early Taurus) and the summer solstice (ayana) in Magha (early Leo). This gives a date about 2400 BC. Yet earlier eras are mentioned but these two have numerous references to substantiate them. They prove that the Vedic culture existed at these periods and already had a sophisticated system of astronomy. Such references were merely ignored or pronounced unintelligible by Western scholars because they yielded too early a date for the 'Vedas' than what they presumed, not because such references did not exist.
Vedic texts like 'Shatapatha Brahmana' and 'Aitereya Brahmana' that mention these astronomical references list a group of 11 Vedic Kings, including a number of figures of the 'Rig Veda', said to have conquered the region of India from 'sea to sea'. Lands of the Aryans are mentioned in them from Gandhara (Afganistan) in the west to Videha (Nepal) in the east, and south to Vidarbha (Maharashtra). Hence the Vedic people were in these regions by the Krittika equinox or before 2400 BC. These passages were also ignored by Western scholars and it was said by them that the 'Vedas' had no evidence of large empires in India in Vedic times. Hence a pattern of ignoring literary evidence or misinterpreting them to suit the Aryan invasion idea became prevalent, even to the point of changing the meaning of Vedic words to suit this theory.
According to this theory, the Vedic people were nomads in the Punjab, comming down from Central Asia. However, the 'Rig Veda' itself has nearly 100 references to ocean (samudra), as well as dozens of references to ships, and to rivers flowing in to the sea. Vedic ancestors like Manu, Turvasha, Yadu and Bhujyu are flood figures, saved from across the sea. The Vedic God of the sea, Varuna, is the father of many Vedic seers and seer families like Vasishta, Agastya and the Bhrigu seers. To preserve the Aryan invasion idea it was assumed that the Vedic (and later sanskrit) term for ocean, samudra, originally did not mean the ocean but any large body of water, especially the Indus river in Punjab. Here the clear meaning of a term in 'Rig Veda' and later times verified by rivers like Saraswati mentioned by name as flowing into the sea was altered to make the Aryan invasion theory fit. Yet if we look at the index to translation of the 'Rig Veda' by Griffith for example, who held to this idea that samudra didn't really mean the ocean, we find over 70 references to ocean or sea. If samudra does noe mean ocean why was it traslated as such? It is therefore without basis to locate Vedic kings in Central Asia far from any ocean or from the massive Saraswati river, which form the background of their land and the symbolism of their hymns.
One of the latest archeological ideas is that the Vedic culture is evidenced by Painted Grey Ware pottery in north India, which apears to date around 1000 BC and comes from the same region between the Ganges and Yamuna as later Vedic culture is related to. It is thought to be an inferior grade of pottery and to be associated with the use of iron that the 'Vedas' are thought to mention. However it is associated with a pig and rice culture, not the cow and barley culture of the 'Vedas'. Moreover it is now found to be an organic development of indegenous pottery, not an introduction of invaders.
Painted Grey Ware culture represents an indigenous cultural development and does not reflect any cultural intrusion from the West i.e. an Indo-Aryan invasion. Therefore, there is no archeological evidence corroborating the fact of an Indo-Aryan invasion.
In addition, the Aryans in the Middle East, most notably the Hittites, have now been found to have been in that region atleast as early as 2200 BC, wherein they are already mentioned. Hence the idea of an Aryan invasion into the Middle East has been pushed back some centuries, though the evidence so far is that the people of the mountain regions of the Middle East were Indo-Europeans as far as recorded history can prove.
The Aryan Kassites of the ancient Middle East worshipped Vedic Gods like Surya and the Maruts, as well as one named Himalaya. The Aryan Hittites and Mittani signed a treaty with the name of the Vedic Gods Indra, Mitra, Varuna and Nasatyas around 1400 BC. The Hittites have a treatise on chariot racing written in almost pure Sanskrit. The IndoEuropeans of the ancient Middle East thus spoke Indo-Aryan, not Indo-Iranian languages and thereby show a Vedic culture in that region of the world as well.
The Indus Valley culture had a form of writing, as evidenced by numerous seals found in the ruins. It was also assumed to be non-Vedic and probably Dravidian, though this was never proved. Now it has been shown that the majority of the late Indus signs are identical with those of later Hindu Brahmi and that there is an organic development between the two scripts. Prevalent models now suggest an Indo-European base for that language.
It was also assumed that the Indus Valley culture derived its civilization from the Middle East, probably Sumeria, as antecedents for it were not found in India. Recent French excavations at Mehrgarh have shown that all the antecedents of the Indus Valley culture can be found within the subcontinent and going back before 6000 BC.
In short, some Western scholars are beginning to reject the Aryan invasion or any outside origin for Hindu civilization.
Current archeological data do not support the existence of an Indo Aryan or European invasion into South Asia at any time in the preor protohistoric periods. Instead, it is possible to document archeologically a series of cultural changes reflecting indigenous cultural development from prehistoric to historic periods. The early Vedic literature describes not a human invasion into the area, but a fundamental restructuring of indigenous society. The Indo-Aryan invasion as an academic concept in 18th and 19th century Europe reflected the cultural milieu of the period. Linguistic data were used to validate the concept that in turn was used to interpret archeological and anthropological data.
In other words, Vedic literature was interpreted on the assumption that there was an Aryan invasion. Then archeological evidence was interpreted by the same assumption. And both interpretations were then used to justify each other. It is nothing but a tautology, an exercise in circular thinking that only proves that if assuming something is true, it is found to be true!
Another modern Western scholar, Colin Renfrew, places the IndoEuropeans in Greece as early as 6000 BC. He also suggests such a possible early date for their entry into India.
As far as I can see there is nothing in the Hymns of the 'Rig Veda' which demonstrates that the Vedic-speaking population was intrusive to the area: this comes rather from a historical assumption of the 'comming of the Indo-Europeans.
When Wheeler speaks of 'the Aryan invasion of the land of the 7 rivers, the Punjab', he has no warrenty at all, so far as I can see. If one checks the dozen references in the 'Rig Veda' to the 7 rivers, there is nothing in them that to me implies invasion: the land of the 7 rivers is the land of the 'Rig Veda', the scene of action. Nor is it implied that the inhabitants of the walled cities (including the Dasyus) were any more aboriginal than the Aryans themselves.
Despite Wheeler's comments, it is difficult to see what is particularly non-Aryan about the Indus Valley civilization. Hence Renfrew suggests that the Indus Valley civilization was in fact Indo-Aryan even prior to the Indus Valley era:
This hypothesis that early Indo-European languages were spoken in North India with Pakistan and on the Iranian plateau at the 6th millennium BC has the merit of harmonizing symmetrically with the theory for the origin of the IndoEuropean languages in Europe. It also emphasizes the continuity in the Indus Valley and adjacent areas from the early neolithic through to the floruit of the Indus Valley civilization.
This is not to say that such scholars appreciate or understand the 'Vedas' their work leaves much to be desired in this respect but that it is clear that the whole edifice built around the Aryan invasion is beginning to tumble on all sides. In addition, it does not mean that the 'Rig Veda' dates from the Indus Valley era. The Indus Valley culture resembles that of the 'Yajur Veda' and the reflect the pre-Indus period in India, when the Saraswati river was more prominent.
The acceptance of such views would create a revolution in our view of history as shattering as that in science caused by Einstein's theory of relativity. It would make ancient India perhaps the oldest, largest and most central of ancient cultures. It would mean that the Vedic literary record already the largest and oldest of the ancient world even at a 1500 BC date would be the record of teachings some centuries or thousands of years before that. It would mean that the 'Vedas' are our most authentic record of the ancient world. It would also tend to validate the Vedic view that the Indo-Europeans and other Aryan peoples were migrants from India, not that the Indo-Aryans were invaders into India. Moreover, it would affirm the Hindu tradition that the Dravidians were early offshoots of the Vedic people through the seer Agastya, and not unaryan peoples.
In closing, it is important to examine the social and political implications of the Aryan invasion idea:
- First, it served to divide India into a northern Aryan and southern Dravidian culture which were made hostile to each other. This kept the Hindus divided and is still a source of social tension.
- Second, it gave the British an excuse in their conquest of India. They could claim to be doing only what the Aryan ancestors of the Hindus had previously done millennia ago.
- Third, it served to make Vedic culture later than and possibly derived from Middle Eastern cultures. With the proximity and relationship of the latter with the Bible and Christianity, this kept the Hindu religion as a sidelight to the development of religion and civilization to the West.
- Fourth, it allowed the sciences of India to be given a Greek basis, as any Vedic basis was largely disqualified by the primitive nature of the Vedic culture.
This discredited not only the 'Vedas' but the genealogies of the 'Puranas' and their long list of the kings before the Buddha or Krishna were left without any historical basis. The 'Mahabharata', instead of a civil war in which all the main kings of India participated as it is described, became a local skirmish among petty princes that was later exaggerated by poets. In short, it discredited the most of the Hindu tradition and almost all its ancient literature. It turned its scriptures and sages into fantacies and exaggerations.
This served a social, political and economical purpose of domination, proving the superiority of Western culture and religion. It made the Hindus feel that their culture was not the great thing that their sages and ancestors had said it was. It made Hindus feel ashamed of their culture that its basis was neither historical nor scientific. It made them feel that the main line of civilization was developed first in the Middle East and then in Europe and that the culture of India was peripheral and secondary to the real development of world culture.
Such a view is not good scholarship or archeology but merely cultural imperialism. The Western Vedic scholars did in the intellectual spehere what the British army did in the political realm discredit, divide and conquer the Hindus. In short, the compelling reasons for the Aryan invasion theory were neither literary nor archeological but political and religious that is to say, not scholarship but prejudice. Such prejudice may not have been intentional but deep-seated political and religious views easily cloud and blur our thinking.
It is unfortunate that this this approach has not been questioned more, particularly by Hindus. Even though Indian Vedic scholars like Dayananda saraswati, Bal Gangadhar Tilak and Arobindo rejected it, most Hindus today passively accept it. They allow Western, generally Christian, scholars to interpret their history for them and quite naturally Hinduism is kept in a reduced role. Many Hindus still accept, read or even honor the translations of the 'Vedas' done by such Christian missionary scholars as Max Muller, Griffith, MonierWilliams and H. H. Wilson. Would modern Christians accept an interpretation of the Bible or Biblical history done by Hindus aimed at converting them to Hinduism? Universities in India also use the Western history books and Western Vedic translations that propound such views that denigrate their own culture and country.
The modern Western academic world is sensitive to critisms of cultural and social biases. For scholars to take a stand against this biased interpretation of the 'Vedas' would indeed cause a reexamination of many of these historical ideas that can not stand objective scrutiny. But if Hindu scholars are silent or passively accept the misinterpretation of their own culture, it will undoubtly continue, but they will have no one to blame but themselves. It is not an issue to be taken lightly, because how a culture is defined historically creates the perspective from which it is viewed in the modern social and intellectual context. Tolerance is not in allowing a false view of one's own culture and religion to be propagated without question. That is merely self-betrayal.
The Taj Mahal
The most beautiful building in the world is in Agra near Delhi. In 1631 the emperor Shah Jahan built the Taj Mahal in memory of his wife Mumtaz, who died in childbirth. The white marble mausoleum at Agra has become the monument of a man's love for a woman.
Shah Jahan came to power in 1622 when he seized the throne from his father, while murdering his brothers to ensure his claim to rule. He was known as an extravagant and cruel leader. But he redeemed himself by his generosity to his friends and the poor, by his passion in adorning India with some of its most beautiful architecture, and by his devotion to his wife Mumtaz Mahal - "Ornament of the Palace." He had married her when he was 21, when he already had two children by an earlier consort. Mumtaz gave her husband 14 children in eighteen years, and died at the age of 39 during the birth of the final child. Shah Jahan built the Taj Mahal as a monument to her memory and her fertility, but then relapsed into a life of scandalous behavior. This tomb was only one of hundreds of beautiful buildings that Shah Jahan erected, mostly at Agra and in the new Dehli that came into being under his planning.
Many architects have rated it as the most perfect of all buildings standing on earth. Three artists designed it: a Persian, an Italian, and a Frenchman. But the design is completely Mohammedan. Even the skilled artisans who built it were brought in from Baghdad, Constantinople, and other centers of the Muslim faith. For 22 years more than 20,000 workmen were forced to build the Taj. The Maharaja of Jaipur sent the marble as a gift to Shah Jahan. The building and its surroundings cost more than $200,000,000 in todays currency.
Passing through a high wall, one comes suddently upon the Taj - raised upon a marble platform, and framed on either side by handsome mosques and stately minarets. In the foreground spacious gardens enclose a pool in whose waters the inverted palace becomes a quivering dream. Every portion of the structure is of white marble, precious metals, or costly stones. The building is a complex figure of twelve sides, four of which are portals. A slender minaret rises at each corner, and the roof is a massive spired dome. The main entrance, once guarded with solid silver gates, is a maze of marble embroidery; inlaid in the wall in jeweled script are qotations from the Koran, one of which invites the "pure in heart" to enter "the gardens of Paradise."
Shah Jahan had begun his reign by killing his brothers; but he had neglected to kill his sons, one of whom was destined to overthrow him. In 1657 his son Aurangzeb led an insurrection from the Deccan. Aurangzeb defeated all the forces sent against him, captured his father, and imprisoned him in the Fort of Agra. For 9 bitter years the deposed emperor lingered there, never visited by his son, attended only by his faithful daughter Jahanara, and spending his days looking from the Jasmine Tower of his prison across the Jumna to where his once-beloved Mumtaz lay in her jeweled tomb.
The new emperor Aurangzeb was a more pious Muslim than his father Shah Jahan had been. He memorized the entire Koran, spent days in fasts, and campaigned against infidelity. He cared little for luxuries, but, paradoxically, gave the world one of its most perfect works of art: a marble screen inside the Taj Mahal. Native and European thieves robbed the tomb of its abundant jewels, and of the gold railing, encrusted with precious stones, that once enclosed the sarcophagi of Shah Jahan and his Queen. Aurangzeb replaced the railing with an octagonal screen of almost transparent marble, carved into a miracle of alabaster lace. Few products of human art have ever surpassed the beauty of this screen.
From afar the Taj Mahal, with its delicate details, is not imposing. Only a nearer view reveals that its perfection has no proportion to its size. When in our hurried times, we see enormous structures of a hundred stories raised in a year, and then consider how 20,000 men worked for 22 years on this little tomb, hardly a hundred feet high, we begin to sense the difference between industry and art. And perhaps more importantly, we sense the ultimate lesson it offers: beauty and that which lasts, is based on love.
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| Site removed for violations [50 words] | Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemi | Oct 12, 2009 22:02 |
| Why Islam is Worse than Fascism [30 words] | Singha | Jul 5, 2007 02:09 |
| ↔ Islam is the religion of God and Islamophobia is unjustified [135 words] | Klaus | Dec 16, 2007 03:15 |
| ↔ why are islamists never wrong? [17 words] | jOMBA | Jul 28, 2009 13:17 |
| a rose by any other name [168 words] | Phil Greend | Jul 1, 2007 08:13 |
| Caution When Talking About Islam [144 words] | Lee Morgan | Apr 13, 2007 03:45 |
| Islamo Arab fascism: For Arabs only, For Muslims only & Anti-Israel as an integral part of it [1029 words] | Al | Mar 28, 2007 12:50 |
| ↔ Nothing but 'ARAB RACISM' & 'ISLAMIC BIGOTRY' created maintains drives the 'MIDDLE EAST CONFLICT' [2931 words] | Al | Aug 20, 2008 21:27 |
| ↔ About those 900,000 Jews that were forcibly expelled from Arab lands. [265 words] | Aimee Kligman | Oct 19, 2008 13:17 |
| to the death [58 words] | soldier | Mar 22, 2007 07:08 |
| ↔ peace unto thee [296 words] | kitty | May 28, 2008 00:06 |
| ↔ On the abuse of Religion [227 words] | Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemi | Oct 12, 2009 21:54 |
| A must watch short video about Islam from a famous Arab Ex-Muslim [11 words] | Abdul Rahman | Sep 22, 2006 14:25 |
| ↔ peace [23 words] | VINAYAGAR DASS | Sep 21, 2009 10:32 |
| Islamic fascism is correct [107 words] | Tertium Quid | Sep 6, 2006 11:48 |
| ↔ Medieval religion [113 words] | KNIGHTS TEMPLAR | Sep 19, 2006 20:46 |
| ↔ Personally I prefer Muslim Imperialists [11 words] | Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemi | Oct 12, 2009 22:06 |
| root problem [147 words] | budi | Sep 4, 2006 23:26 |
| Islamofacist [75 words] | Carol A. Auckerman | Sep 1, 2006 13:23 |
| At war with Islam? [56 words] | Vijay | Aug 27, 2006 04:35 |
| ↔ Media [59 words] | Muslim | Aug 29, 2006 20:59 |
| ↔ been listening [178 words] | dan | Sep 7, 2006 15:55 |
| Mainstream/new media vs old (purana) media [29 words] | Hari Iyer | Aug 27, 2006 01:38 |
Dr Pipes names in one of the WSJ editorial page [w/response] [77 words] | Hari Iyer | Aug 27, 2006 01:16 |
Some predictions please Mr Pipes ? [w/response] [190 words] | Tony | Aug 26, 2006 08:12 |
| Muslims [170 words] | John R | Aug 25, 2006 23:09 |
| ↔ Just be consistent with labeling [36 words] | Tajuddin | Aug 29, 2006 03:41 |
| ↔ Tajuddin's, Wishful Thinking [96 words] | Infidel | Aug 29, 2006 20:10 |
| ↔ Kudos to you! [63 words] | Tajuddin | Aug 30, 2006 19:52 |
| "Islamic Imperialists" or "Islamic Supremacists", not "Islamists" [141 words] | Peg | Aug 25, 2006 09:23 |
| Dumb & Dumber [112 words] | Faqi Hussain | Aug 25, 2006 01:56 |
| Proof of Pakistani Terror in India; and The Hero of Pakistan, A Q Khan! [82 words] | Vishnu Gupta | Aug 23, 2006 08:19 |
| Islamism/Islamic Fascism [78 words] | I\an Campbell | Aug 23, 2006 05:45 |
| ↔ I think you are wrong [34 words] | Vineet Bhanot | Dec 27, 2006 00:57 |
| Yes, to the term "Islamists" [185 words] | J.S. | Aug 22, 2006 16:44 |
| ↔ The threat of communism was/is very real..... [233 words] | Angel B. | Nov 6, 2006 10:17 |
| Questions for Muslims to answer in Ireland - might be helpful for the US and other countries [627 words] | Paddy Monaghan | Aug 22, 2006 10:25 |
| ↔ Remember Taqiyya [201 words] | Infidel | Aug 23, 2006 20:33 |
| ↔ Please read quran [275 words] | Muslim | Aug 27, 2006 01:15 |
| ↔ Please Read Qur'an [506 words] | Infidel | Aug 27, 2006 21:36 |
| ↔ Informed Ignorance [183 words] | Tajuddin | Aug 29, 2006 03:31 |
| ↔ Tajuddin, Are You Still Laughing [270 words] | Infidel | Aug 29, 2006 19:37 |
| ↔ Sorry your're Wrong [526 words] | Muslim | Aug 29, 2006 20:48 |
| ↔ Uh...yup... [121 words] | Tajuddin | Aug 30, 2006 21:20 |
| ↔ Reading of kuran [114 words] | Alex | Sep 23, 2006 05:54 |
| ↔ Beach-head [120 words] | Roger Michael | Apr 12, 2007 04:17 |
| ↔ Who really needs any of it? [519 words] | Seamus MacNemi | Jul 8, 2007 18:20 |
| ↔ To you Dear Muslim [142 words] | Seamus MacNemi | Jul 8, 2007 19:18 |
| ↔ My thoughts exactly Alex [33 words] | Seamus MacNemi | Jul 8, 2007 19:25 |
| ↔ SO WRONG!! [93 words] | Samina | Nov 19, 2007 22:15 |
| ↔ Hi samina [136 words] | Alex | Nov 22, 2007 07:31 |
| ↔ quran [143 words] | shihab | Mar 2, 2009 20:00 |
| ↔ terrorism is the punishment for terroriesm [84 words] | niroop.micheljackson | Oct 9, 2009 06:41 |
| ↔ AI Shihab HA HA HA HA HA HA [221 words] | Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemi | Oct 12, 2009 23:44 |
| ↔ To niroop.micheljackson [199 words] | Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemi | Oct 13, 2009 01:01 |
To the Site Managers [w/response] [232 words] | Thomas Justin Kaze | Aug 22, 2006 08:08 |
| Islam Is Fascist [527 words] | John R | Aug 22, 2006 00:48 |
| IslamoFascist [233 words] | Suren Sukhtankar | Aug 21, 2006 13:49 |
| ↔ Defining the enemy [258 words] | Peter Edgar | Aug 24, 2006 07:47 |
| ↔ You don't make sense [160 words] | Kathy Jones | Dec 19, 2006 01:57 |
| ↔ Kathy Jones, please explain! [374 words] | Moshe | Dec 19, 2006 07:00 |
| ↔ Idiotic West you Say! [87 words] | another infidel | Dec 20, 2006 01:10 |
| ↔ ‘RAMZI YOUSEF' - THE EPITOME OF ‘ISLAMOFASCISM' [526 words] | Thom | Feb 5, 2008 23:39 |
| Can anyone tell a little about India? [258 words] | Ronaldo Ferrario | Aug 20, 2006 15:22 |
| ↔ A Little Bit of Reading Never Harmed Anyone [268 words] | Georges Fernandez | Aug 21, 2006 02:48 |
| ↔ "We will go to war" - Hamid Gul [56 words] | Georges Fernandez | Aug 21, 2006 02:53 |
| ↔ History teacher Brazil [843 words] | Faisal | Aug 22, 2006 00:38 |
| ↔ Reply to Mr Ronaldo [24 words] | Amitabh tripathi | Aug 22, 2006 13:36 |
| ↔ Faisal is factually wrong Mr Ronaldo [882 words] | Amitabh tripathi | Aug 23, 2006 05:26 |
| ↔ Dr. Ronaldo Ferrario of Brazil, Anyone can! [2255 words] | Rakshas 10 Anan | Aug 23, 2006 07:54 |
| ↔ To Dr. Ronaldo Ferrario, In Response To The Last Few Unanswered Queries [1020 words] | Rakshas 10 Anan | Aug 23, 2006 13:57 |
| ↔ Re: Faisal is factually wrong Mr Ronaldo [81 words] | Klew | Aug 23, 2006 15:55 |
| ↔ ⇒ A Little information about INDIA [6422 words] | Eric Thomas | Aug 23, 2006 15:58 |
| ↔ Hello there again Mr Amitabh [980 words] | Faisal | Aug 23, 2006 23:33 |
| ↔ information about india [198 words] | Giri Kumar | Aug 24, 2006 03:01 |
| ↔ Reply to Faisal [493 words] | Amitabh tripathi | Aug 25, 2006 00:43 |
| ↔ To Faisal, In Friendship and Sympathy [2539 words] | Rakshas 10 Anan | Aug 25, 2006 10:36 |
| ↔ Moghuls of India [354 words] | GF | Aug 25, 2006 11:01 |
| ↔ For You, Faisal, A Musical Note From Everyday India That No Pakistani Can Ever Dream Of! [444 words] | Rakshas 10 Anan | Aug 26, 2006 04:43 |
| ↔ I'm also an Indian first [414 words] | Faisal | Aug 26, 2006 12:15 |
| ↔ Final reply to Faisal [71 words] | Amitabh tripathi | Aug 27, 2006 11:46 |
| ↔ You are 100% wrong [92 words] | Bharat Khan | Aug 29, 2006 12:47 |
| ↔ its their problem [172 words] | Muslim | Aug 29, 2006 21:22 |
| ↔ Lets be Indians and stop fighting about things which mean nothing in the current world. [132 words] | indian | Sep 7, 2006 10:49 |
| ↔ Is Islamic Fascism a Slur? [1012 words] | Amil | Sep 24, 2006 09:24 |
| ↔ Catholic apology..... [41 words] | Angel B. | Nov 6, 2006 11:50 |
| ↔ to Ronaldo [152 words] | AS | Dec 21, 2006 06:25 |
| ↔ to Faisal [346 words] | AS | Dec 21, 2006 07:11 |
| ↔ Indian? [32 words] | Anubhav | Dec 21, 2006 07:27 |
| ↔ Again to Mr. Muslim [236 words] | Seamus MacNemi | Jul 9, 2007 01:17 |
| ↔ Indian Muslims [116 words] | sukrut | Jan 28, 2009 14:23 |
| ↔ Arayans From Germany??? [240 words] | Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemi | Oct 13, 2009 02:40 |
| ↔ The stealing of monuments and sacred grounds [58 words] | Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemi | Oct 13, 2009 03:13 |
| CAIR does not = CARE, so quit the moaning and groaning [80 words] | Cary | Aug 20, 2006 13:16 |
| ' No' to use of 'Islamists'. [47 words] | Rodney | Aug 19, 2006 19:38 |
| ↔ re: At War with Islamic Fascists" [5 words] | Cary | Aug 24, 2006 21:03 |
| Search for the facts, not the term [597 words] | Amitabh tripathi | Aug 19, 2006 04:48 |
| ↔ You have a point Mr.Amitabh [340 words] | Save The World | Aug 20, 2006 02:21 |
| ↔ Reply to save the world [105 words] | Amitabh tripathi | Aug 21, 2006 11:11 |
| ↔ facts n Islam n Islamic fascism [74 words] | AS | Dec 21, 2006 07:24 |
| Communism = Fascism. Ignore the words look at the results. [302 words] | David Amstadt | Aug 19, 2006 00:13 |
| Raids reveal 'evil designs' of Jehadi Terrorism in South Asia [382 words] | Sage | Aug 18, 2006 14:45 |
| Call them Muslims : Muslims are Muslims , so why to confuse and waste time [144 words] | Vani Bhuji | Aug 18, 2006 08:43 |
| US and THEM... [1006 words] | Thomas Justin Kaze | Aug 18, 2006 03:48 |
| ↔ Kiss them wherever you find them! [229 words] | Thomas Justin Kaze | Aug 20, 2006 04:36 |
| ↔ Nuke them ??? [377 words] | GS | Sep 22, 2006 13:10 |
| ↔ Anti Jihad humor [49 words] | Seamus MacNemi | Jul 9, 2007 19:46 |
| ↔ Back to GS: An excellent idea. When can we start? [54 words] | Seamus MacNemi | Jul 9, 2007 19:57 |
| Islamic Fascists gets my vote [531 words] | RPaine | Aug 18, 2006 03:34 |
| President/ Commander-in-chief has already replaced the term "Islamic Facist" [24 words] | K L | Aug 17, 2006 18:20 |
| ↔ Compromise , Retreat , Ceasefire , Truce , Concessions & Appeasement will bring more Islamic Terrorism [81 words] | Ram | Aug 20, 2006 02:37 |
| Definition of Fascism [270 words] | Prof. Karla Poewe | Aug 17, 2006 17:25 |
| ↔ Pakistan let al-Qaida front fund UK plot to blow up ten aeroplanes [282 words] | Chouajis | Aug 18, 2006 14:48 |
| ISLAM NAZI, FASCIST, TERRORISTS, ETC ETC [212 words] | DONVAN | Aug 17, 2006 16:41 |
| ↔ is islam about aliens [71 words] | o b lie | Aug 4, 2008 08:44 |
| ↔ may allah forgive you [167 words] | muslim | Oct 30, 2008 13:19 |
| Shariaism [155 words] | Henk Twerda | Aug 17, 2006 15:24 |
| Better name than Islamofascist [40 words] | Darryl Davis | Aug 17, 2006 14:28 |
| Islam and Fascism [146 words] | Singha | Aug 17, 2006 13:04 |
| Intolerance And Religion [201 words] | John R. Peacher | Aug 17, 2006 09:15 |
| ↔ Muslim arrested for murder of an Italian Christian Volunteer who was helping Arab Children in Jerusalem [138 words] | Neeru | Aug 20, 2006 02:49 |
| How About "At War With Muslim Freedom Fighters?" [64 words] | GF | Aug 17, 2006 03:25 |
| Daniel Pipes should set up a seperate Media Wing to deseminate Counter Terrorism Information [177 words] | Pundit | Aug 17, 2006 02:48 |
| At War with Islamic Fascists [78 words] | iasius_christos | Aug 17, 2006 01:34 |
| Wordly Conundrum [104 words] | Robert Kennedy | Aug 16, 2006 20:12 |
| ↔ Muslims: Robotic Murderers or natural born killers? [308 words] | Shenu Bha | Aug 17, 2006 14:20 |
| ↔ Islam and muhammad [385 words] | M. A. | Jul 18, 2007 21:05 |
| ↔ see [53 words] | gdd | Nov 27, 2007 22:14 |
| I would like to suggest " Muslim Fanatics" (EOM) [1 words] | Bernard Ross | Aug 16, 2006 18:41 |
| ↔ Drug smuggling to fund Islamic Terrorism [132 words] | Raymonds | Aug 19, 2006 11:49 |
| Good article [367 words] | Robert Eriksson | Aug 16, 2006 18:36 |
| Bush picked the right term in terms of immediate mass recognition. [70 words] | Bernard Ross | Aug 16, 2006 18:35 |
| ↔ Muslim parents kill daughter for she was in love with Italian [216 words] | Fanoos | Aug 17, 2006 14:18 |
| ↔ Re: Fanoos: Rapes [34 words] | B | Aug 18, 2006 13:36 |
| Islamist term doesn't meet 6th grade level reader test [44 words] | Brian Luedke | Aug 16, 2006 15:47 |
Mr.Pipes please tell us about the role common man can play in this Global war against Terrorism [w/response] [78 words] | save | Aug 16, 2006 14:57 |
| Deafness [293 words] | Ed Halper | Aug 16, 2006 14:56 |
| Islam is the biggest threat to civilisation , Just eradicate it . Sooner the better [40 words] | sguge | Aug 16, 2006 14:51 |
| ↔ Go India [30 words] | sanyomous | Sep 22, 2006 11:10 |
| Terror ways of Jet airways : Muslims arrested in Airlines staff : Be aware of Muslims staff members [318 words] | Sonubana | Aug 16, 2006 14:23 |
| ↔ false allegations [191 words] | krishna chettri | Aug 26, 2006 17:11 |
| ↔ Something wrong!! [314 words] | Chandar | Nov 15, 2006 05:39 |
| Terror plot busted,18 Jehadis arrested from Kerala , India [191 words] | Subramaniam | Aug 16, 2006 14:19 |
| Fascistic [45 words] | Robert LaGamba | Aug 16, 2006 13:39 |
| Stephen Schwartz disagrees, too [119 words] | Dan Schwartz (Cherry Hill, NJ) | Aug 16, 2006 12:45 |
| Islamism, fascism and marxism [484 words] | Concerned European | Aug 16, 2006 04:02 |
| Poor semantics; good propaganda [50 words] | rw | Aug 16, 2006 03:57 |
| how about [1 words] | paul reiss | Aug 16, 2006 01:47 |
| Islamofacism has got to go [42 words] | C. Cannon | Aug 16, 2006 00:50 |
| "Islamofascists or Islamic fascism [128 words] | Fazal Curmally | Aug 16, 2006 00:47 |
| ↔ thanks [18 words] | Un Drain | Aug 17, 2006 14:02 |
| defining Islamofascism? [364 words] | Jascha Kessler | Aug 16, 2006 00:31 |
| The fear of Islam in America [76 words] | f.shakki | Aug 15, 2006 22:43 |
| ↔ Mr.Pipes should launch his TV Channel , Live and Print Media to expose the Islamic Threat [57 words] | Kabudi | Aug 16, 2006 14:48 |
Fascism and Islamism [w/response] [214 words] | Andy B. | Aug 15, 2006 22:28 |
| Islamic fascism a better term [83 words] | Christine Burtt | Aug 15, 2006 20:32 |
| Islamic Supremacists [13 words] | Levi Moriah | Aug 15, 2006 20:17 |
| "Islamic Supremacy" [112 words] | GS Brand | Aug 15, 2006 19:03 |
| "Discrimination against Muslim" means treating them like everyone else; i.e., NO SPECIAL PRIVILEDGES! [271 words] | Dr RJP | Aug 15, 2006 18:25 |
| ↔ Arrested Terrorist is Professor in Engineering College [192 words] | Morara | Aug 16, 2006 14:17 |
| ↔ Students , Politician , Soldier , Policeman , Religious Mullah , Social Leader , Doctor and now engineer as well : Oh my God ! [138 words] | Sanjeeta Mishra | Aug 17, 2006 02:35 |
| ↔ are you sure?... [22 words] | ahmad zafire | Aug 20, 2006 22:36 |
| ↔ Islam and Crusades... [478 words] | Angel B. | Nov 6, 2006 13:05 |
| ↔ Terrorist does not belong any religion [35 words] | Md.Yusuf Mulge | Nov 25, 2007 00:33 |
| You say tomato and I say tomahto [105 words] | Sully | Aug 15, 2006 16:55 |
| ↔ Islamic Pakistan is backstabbing Dhimmi Westerners [2190 words] | Gogadev | Aug 17, 2006 14:14 |
| Santorum's speech on July 20 was bold, brave, and true. [1114 words] | James Vesce | Aug 15, 2006 16:09 |
| My vote is for Islamist - Preserving the American Dream in the Face of Islamization [192 words] | David J. Jonsson | Aug 15, 2006 14:56 |
| naming [360 words] | John W. McGinley | Aug 15, 2006 13:26 |
| Religion & Paece [91 words] | Shaun Gilmore | Aug 15, 2006 12:20 |
| ↔ You are making a mistake in thinking that Islam is like Christianity [111 words] | Sully | Aug 16, 2006 01:14 |
| Discussion of Islamo-Fascism [45 words] | Laina Farhat-Holzman | Aug 15, 2006 11:28 |
| Historical/Philosophical Connections [249 words] | Ed Halper | Aug 15, 2006 11:28 |
| IslamoNazi's [333 words] | Jake Jacobs | Aug 15, 2006 10:25 |
| Muslim Terrorists is appropriate name [94 words] | Jaladhi | Aug 15, 2006 09:39 |
| ↔ 99.99 % of Terrorists are Muslims working for the aim of Islam & Jehad [81 words] | Royal | Aug 16, 2006 14:10 |
| ↔ Al Qaeda Letter Threatens to Blow Up Taj Mahal in India [182 words] | Nagesh | Aug 18, 2006 15:06 |
| Re: IslamoFascism [100 words] | Eleanor Goldstein | Aug 15, 2006 09:35 |
| what is a fascist [43 words] | brad | Aug 15, 2006 08:45 |
| Jihadis [24 words] | Gary Luke | Aug 15, 2006 07:32 |
| Better Late than Never [168 words] | Michael E. Bishop | Aug 15, 2006 06:26 |
| Islamofascists hits the mark better [69 words] | Yossi Ben-Aharon | Aug 15, 2006 04:34 |
| ↔ An appeaser is one who keeps feeding the crocodile in the hope it will eat him last [392 words] | Dall Chand | Aug 16, 2006 14:14 |
| Islamic Fascism [161 words] | Terry Brodsky | Aug 15, 2006 04:31 |
| ↔ Islam Is As Islam Was [67 words] | Infidel | Aug 15, 2006 17:01 |
| ↔ Reply to Infidel 15/08 [413 words] | Terry Brodsky | Aug 15, 2006 22:07 |
| ↔ Islam's valuable contribution to Air travel [422 words] | War against Terrorism | Aug 16, 2006 14:05 |
| Scare the living daylights out of them! [110 words] | Thomas Justin Kaze | Aug 15, 2006 04:21 |
| We are eating out their hands! Especially the international news media, commentators, politicians, and opinion makers!!! [179 words] | GF | Aug 15, 2006 03:32 |
| We are dealing with polemics in trying to come up with a term to describe the terrorists. [324 words] | David Sabghir | Aug 15, 2006 01:46 |
| i'll call it what it is [105 words] | jimmytheclaw | Aug 15, 2006 01:41 |
| We have named the enemy are we prepared to engage them? [551 words] | NuclearWinter | Aug 15, 2006 01:17 |
| ↔ We have to start preparing for the final battle after Muslim attack innocents by NBCs [291 words] | Arjun | Aug 17, 2006 02:25 |
| The Ones that Aren't Fascists-- [213 words] | William Kinney | Aug 15, 2006 01:05 |
| The Ruthless Fascist Army with 1.4 billion soldiers called ISLAM [356 words] | TTS | Aug 15, 2006 00:54 |
| ↔ Call spade a spade [64 words] | Robert | Aug 15, 2006 18:39 |
| ↔ To understand the enemy.... [16 words] | Nemesis | Jul 21, 2007 11:47 |
| ↔ you said you've studied Islam...? [181 words] | AJ | Oct 19, 2007 11:18 |
| ↔ Avoid such false accusations [194 words] | Muhammad Tahir Mazari | Mar 30, 2009 08:32 |
| ↔ Crass Islamic Hypocrisy [64 words] | wotthefiqh | Oct 5, 2009 12:19 |
| Islamists [116 words] | GF | Aug 15, 2006 00:53 |
| Definitely Fascists [69 words] | Salomon Benzimra | Aug 15, 2006 00:41 |
| How about just "Islam?" [190 words] | Mark Nedelman | Aug 15, 2006 00:23 |
| Militant Islam [370 words] | Mitzi Alvin | Aug 15, 2006 00:12 |
| We need a naming contest [273 words] | Lee | Aug 15, 2006 00:05 |
| Islam is facscist , militant, totlitarian, terrorism & racist [102 words] | f.shakki | Aug 14, 2006 23:54 |
| Admission? [39 words] | Abu Nudnik | Aug 14, 2006 23:51 |
| Call A Spade A Spade [857 words] | John R | Aug 14, 2006 23:30 |
| ↔ There is a history of islamo-fascism [123 words] | Robert Wood | Aug 15, 2006 14:50 |
| The Solution [126 words] | moyal | Aug 14, 2006 23:13 |
Religion of Peace [w/response] [394 words] | Bill Hylton | Aug 14, 2006 22:58 |
| ↔ The other strategic thing President Bush has done is to recognize India as a major nuclear power [134 words] | Sully | Aug 16, 2006 01:29 |
| ↔ meaning of the "religion of peace" [111 words] | Concerned European | Aug 16, 2006 04:15 |
| ↔ USA , India , Israel ,Australia, UK are frontline allies in the War against Islamic Terrorism [211 words] | Taurus | Aug 18, 2006 08:17 |
| Islamist ????? [476 words] | Jacqueline | Aug 14, 2006 22:47 |
| Islamo-Nazis (vs. Islamists or Islamo-fascists) [31 words] | Robert J. Meth, MD | Aug 14, 2006 22:23 |
| "ISLAMIC FASCISM" CANNOT EXIST! [162 words] | Allan E. Mallenbaum | Aug 14, 2006 22:15 |
| ↔ Historical links between Fascism and Islam [115 words] | Prof. Irving Hexham | Aug 18, 2006 01:40 |
| ↔ "ISLAMIC FASCISM" CANNOT EXIST! FASCIST MUSLIMS CAN! [55 words] | Allan E. Mallenbaum | Aug 18, 2006 20:10 |
| ↔ Islamic Fascism and Conversion to Islam [169 words] | Prof. Irving Hexham | Aug 19, 2006 16:39 |
| CHARACTERISTICS OF FASCISM [64 words] | GERSON JACOBS | Aug 14, 2006 22:13 |
| When is a terrorist not an Islamic terrorist [431 words] | Lloyd Klein | Aug 14, 2006 22:03 |
| Just call them Muslims [245 words] | Fred Stone | Aug 14, 2006 21:52 |
| ↔ Muslim will launch intifada in Europe and will destroy European Continent from within [266 words] | Tatabhu | Aug 19, 2006 05:07 |
| ↔ bitter pill [7 words] | williams | Oct 5, 2007 17:33 |
| ↔ RE: Call them Muslims! [16 words] | swoozy | Oct 19, 2007 19:07 |
| a rose by any other name [213 words] | Andria Switzer | Aug 14, 2006 21:51 |
| Call them what they are [130 words] | Donald Grant Cheesman, USA (RETIRED) | Aug 14, 2006 21:30 |
| ISLAMIC FASCISTS [604 words] | ROSE | Aug 14, 2006 21:20 |
| Islam is a political ideology [426 words] | Howard | Aug 14, 2006 21:17 |
| Were all the Immigrant Officials muslim or did the Brits keel over? [38 words] | wyzeoleowl | Aug 14, 2006 20:42 |
| Islamic Barbarians [124 words] | Donald O | Aug 14, 2006 20:27 |
| Islamo fascists. [30 words] | Milton Fried | Aug 14, 2006 19:46 |
| new terms for suicide bomber [87 words] | Mitch B | Aug 14, 2006 19:44 |
| ↔ suicide murder [16 words] | Ed Halper | Aug 15, 2006 21:53 |
| MPED-- massacre, pillage, enslavement, and deportation [101 words] | William Sumner Scott | Aug 14, 2006 19:30 |
| Terminology [16 words] | Al | Aug 14, 2006 19:23 |
| Right idea, wrong terminology [172 words] | Alan Gold | Aug 14, 2006 19:19 |
| Islamic fascism is the best term [138 words] | Adam | Aug 14, 2006 19:16 |
| Anything better than "Islamic extremism" will do. [185 words] | C.A. | Aug 14, 2006 19:03 |
| "Obsession" film documents Hitler, Mayor of Baghdad, fascism connection. [24 words] | James Johnson | Aug 14, 2006 18:57 |
| Islam Ideology [143 words] | Paul Rinderle | Aug 14, 2006 17:58 |
| ↔ Thank you, folks [61 words] | LDC | Aug 14, 2006 20:01 |
| Terminology [226 words] | Douglas Boggs | Aug 14, 2006 17:25 |
| ↔ A jihad by any other name.... [234 words] | Jinan Safwat | Aug 15, 2006 01:08 |
| Challenge Muslims with their own faityh texts. [58 words] | Steve | Aug 14, 2006 17:22 |
| Islamofacism [58 words] | Mari Ann Andrieux | Aug 14, 2006 17:18 |
| Islamofascist is the better term [296 words] | Pat | Aug 14, 2006 17:11 |
| it is about time, or is it? [321 words] | andrew freedman | Aug 14, 2006 17:09 |
| Islamic Fascism? Islamic Totalitarianism? "A Rose By Any Other Name....." [272 words] | Mark Anderson | Aug 14, 2006 16:59 |
| Islamism = fascism [85 words] | Octavio Johanson | Aug 14, 2006 16:47 |
| Pit NAzrallah against Bin Laden [67 words] | Swaminathan | Aug 14, 2006 16:20 |
| Calling spade a spade hurts [143 words] | Swaminathan | Aug 14, 2006 16:16 |
| islamic fascists [141 words] | robert fusfeld | Aug 14, 2006 16:14 |
| To paraphrase William Shakespeare: "Excrement" by any other name would smell as bad [474 words] | Dr RJP | Aug 14, 2006 15:47 |
| ↔ not to paraphrase but to quote Montaigne and Erasmus: [55 words] | charles fortner | Aug 15, 2006 17:47 |
| political correctness [10 words] | Donna | Aug 14, 2006 15:45 |
| CAIR Heirs of the German-American Bund [14 words] | LDC | Aug 14, 2006 15:44 |
| ↔ Lashkar e Taibba and Al Qaida : Militant Islam will destroy India with in ten years [1729 words] | chandubana | Aug 16, 2006 14:27 |
| ↔ the bitter truth! [207 words] | bitter pill | Oct 5, 2007 18:01 |
| ↔ Warning !!!! [20 words] | Ram | Sep 21, 2009 22:43 |
| ↔ no body can even touch india [34 words] | prasad | Oct 4, 2009 13:18 |
| ↔ to destroy terrorism [55 words] | samy | Oct 31, 2009 09:31 |
| fascism, terrorism, cold blodded killers;they are all the same [125 words] | islamic fascism | Aug 14, 2006 15:40 |
| IslamoNazi will be a good name too [9 words] | Arie | Aug 14, 2006 15:35 |
| The Right Term [7 words] | Josh Ticho | Aug 14, 2006 15:25 |
| Islamofacist, terrorists, radical Islamists...forgive us if we've hurt you and your brothers' feelings!!!! [245 words] | JustMe | Aug 14, 2006 15:24 |
| ↔ Significant Majority of Muslims Support Islamic Terrorism and Suicide Bombings [120 words] | Rex | Aug 19, 2006 04:54 |
| Islamists" is probaly the most accurate term, but... [140 words] | Junius2006 | Aug 14, 2006 15:21 |
| Islamist Fascists [131 words] | Ken G. | Aug 14, 2006 15:12 |
| title for Muslim fascists: [7 words] | Hal Lewis | Aug 14, 2006 15:10 |
| could tide be turning? [216 words] | Bill Randles | Aug 14, 2006 15:05 |
| Islamists or Muslim Terrorists? [113 words] | Infidel | Aug 14, 2006 15:03 |
| ↔ Muslim Terrorists [53 words] | Jaladhi | Aug 15, 2006 10:43 |
| ↔ Great Minds Think Alike [12 words] | Infidel | Aug 16, 2006 02:06 |
| tiptoeing thru the tulip [55 words] | mbrandi | Aug 14, 2006 14:58 |
| Charade of likes of CAIR [51 words] | Jaladhi | Aug 14, 2006 14:56 |
| A Cult is a Cult is a Cult [573 words] | Christina | Aug 14, 2006 14:43 |
| Some parallels of historical fascism and islamicism [97 words] | Jack Goldberg | Aug 14, 2006 14:43 |
| Response to condemning only the "Islamic Facists [100 words] | philip mannes | Aug 14, 2006 14:40 |
| Next up ... [35 words] | Victor Purinton | Aug 14, 2006 14:32 |
| Militant Islams or Islamic fascism [244 words] | Nenette Grunberg | Aug 14, 2006 14:19 |
Islam and reason [w/response] [46 words] | gnargtharst | Aug 14, 2006 14:10 |
| Woe to me that I dwell amidst the tents of Kadar. I am a man of peace but they are for war. Psalms [186 words] | Michael | Aug 14, 2006 14:06 |
| Islamofascists [54 words] | David G. Vieira | Aug 14, 2006 13:55 |
| ↔ Mel Gibson, Karr Vs Muhammad Vs CNN, CNBC, FOX [41 words] | Hari Iyer | Aug 17, 2006 22:06 |
| Islamic Fascism [183 words] | FX Meaney | Aug 14, 2006 13:52 |
| Islamic Fascists or Islamists [143 words] | Chris Chrisman | Aug 14, 2006 13:44 |
| Marxism, Leninism, Fascism, Islamism, Enemies of the Enlightenment [218 words] | Paul Saunders | Aug 14, 2006 13:30 |
| Islamic Supremacists: That's the Term [308 words] | Joe | Aug 14, 2006 13:25 |
| Islamic fascists [68 words] | Bob Hamilton | Aug 14, 2006 13:21 |
| criteria of fascism [224 words] | G. Bisvas | Aug 14, 2006 13:08 |
| Islamic Fascists [60 words] | Alyn Starkman | Aug 14, 2006 13:06 |
| Correct title for our enemy [75 words] | Sigmund Silber | Aug 14, 2006 12:55 |
| Islamic Insanity [174 words] | Robert Guinaugh | Aug 14, 2006 12:51 |
| ↔ Moderate muslim [18 words] | b29 | Aug 15, 2006 16:19 |
| "Islamist" is wonkish [77 words] | Dan Schwartz (Cherry Hill, NJ) | Aug 14, 2006 12:51 |
| It is Islam, dummy [1359 words] | Amil Imani | Aug 14, 2006 12:48 |
| ↔ scratching the surface [66 words] | T.Roderick | Aug 14, 2006 22:38 |
| ↔ Getting it! [22 words] | Bill Storey | Aug 15, 2006 20:26 |
| ↔ Look at History [83 words] | Kathy | Dec 19, 2006 01:48 |
| Islamic Fascists & Islamo-Fascists. What's in a name? [94 words] | Robert H. Tyrka Sr. | Aug 14, 2006 12:47 |
| Islamic Fascists are "Jihadists" [110 words] | Topnife | Aug 14, 2006 12:46 |
| The right label [11 words] | Brooks Imperial | Aug 14, 2006 12:46 |
| Accountability [85 words] | David W. Lincoln | Aug 14, 2006 12:39 |
| No need for hyphens [7 words] | Ron Kilmartin | Aug 14, 2006 12:31 |
| How about "totalitarian Islamists?" [4 words] | McGinley | Aug 14, 2006 12:14 |
| What should we call the terrorists? [76 words] | William Spiller | Aug 14, 2006 12:11 |
| At war... [217 words] | SHmuel HaLevi | Aug 14, 2006 12:10 |
| Islamic Fascists? [90 words] | Ken Nebel | Aug 14, 2006 12:08 |
| 'Islamofascist' fits the bill [268 words] | Henrik R Clausen | Aug 14, 2006 11:58 |
| Fascists or Nazis? [73 words] | Tom Mills | Aug 14, 2006 11:55 |
| to give a name to the chief terrorists of today [4 words] | W.Vandenberg | Aug 14, 2006 11:52 |
| Islam [60 words] | Alan Winters | Aug 14, 2006 11:44 |
| Prof.Daniel Pipes has given the most appropriate term " Militant Islam" [139 words] | Mohit | Aug 14, 2006 11:41 |
| traditional or orthodox muslims [49 words] | justsayno2islam | Aug 14, 2006 11:15 |
| The Truth Has To Be Told Who We Are At War With [63 words] | AnneM | Aug 14, 2006 10:37 |
| ↔ World War III : Islam versus the Rest [153 words] | Rony | Aug 16, 2006 14:39 |
| ↔ I think the Muslims extremists forgot who ordered and funded the Crusades [61 words] | Jenny | Sep 4, 2006 15:27 |
| ↔ Crusades [4813 words] | Angel B. | Nov 6, 2006 13:41 |
| ↔ death of america? [40 words] | world warrior III | Oct 26, 2007 03:39 |
| ↔ PEACE Peace PEACE [344 words] | cOMMON mUSLIM | Dec 13, 2008 15:57 |
| ↔ islam [173 words] | muslim | Mar 9, 2009 12:35 |
| ↔ islam and war [12 words] | Sam | Aug 5, 2009 19:58 |
| ↔ Ah yes, those who have converted??? [158 words] | Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemi | Oct 14, 2009 23:30 |