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Submitted by CRUX (India), Apr 9, 2013 at 09:45

ISLAM (full form mentioned above) is different than Zionism OR any other religion. That's why they all have scope of reform. After Crusades, Christians realized that they went against Jesus and hence reformed Christianity. Similarly, Jews too accepted mistakes of Zionism. Example: Neture Karta Jewish sect. Same is true with Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism, Zoroastrianism OR any other religion for that matter. Same however does not happen with ISLAM. Muslims belive that they are perfect and no reform is required. While in other religions, terrorists are criticized by the followers, in ISLAM it is the exact opposite. That is the reason why no muslim goes against Taliban, Al Qaeda etc. I ignore the case of Mohammad Tahir Ul Qadri since muslim world is on a debate whether he is a momeen OR a Shirk!

I acknowledge that only 2% muslims are terrorists and remaining 98% are tolerant and decent people. But those 98% cannot do anything (OR literally do nothing) against the 2% minority. The 2% has full control over the 98% and hence emerge as the ultimate winner everytime.

A::: You say - The Muslim nation was built by following the rules of Islam.

Elaborate! Which Muslim nation? Iran is a Shia nation while Arab is a Sunni. The 2 hate each other. Both are respected by all muslims and love shariah. Which muslim nation are you referring to?

B::: You say - Muslims do not believe in just the ISLAM, they also believe in all prophecies sent by all God's prophets

That's incomplete information. Muslims believe that what Moses got (Torah), what David got (Zabur) and what Jesus got (Injeel) were corrupt and hence not authentic. Quran cannot be changed and hence it is complete & clear. What a deception! Muslims are indirectly converting Jews / Christians to ISLAM.

C::: You say - the true fact about Jerusalem is that it is Arabian; in fact the origin of the word of Jerusalem is Der-Salem which means Salem's abode a very Arabic name.

Generalizations require proof. I can also say, Muslim greeting Salaam is derived from Jewish greeting Shalom. Refute this if you can. Quran 5 33 is copied from Talmud Tract Sanhedrin Chap 4 Mishna 3. Read that to understand how Arabs plagiarized other holy books.

Secondly Hebrew is just a cousin of Arabic and hence 2 are similar. That does not mean that one is derived from another. Jerusalem and Der-Salem may be similar but that does not prove anything.

D::: You say - Muslims believe in freedom of religion

So, do Jews and Christians. They too respect freedom of religions. Because their books don't say - Befriend on religious backgrounds only as Quran 9 23, 5 51, 3 28 say. Jews / Christians are better because they can befriend anyone.

As far as Muslim freedom of religion is concerned, Quran is full of verses where Allah (the anti - GOD) orders to kill unbelievers and polytheists. The commandment which GOD gave to Moses said - Thou shall not kill. The commandment which Allah gave to Mohammad was - Thou must kill the infidel. What an anti - GOD is Alllah!

E::: You say - Islam is the only religion that prevented violence.

From where you get such jokes?

GOD ordering to Moses - "Thou shall not steal" is violence. Allah ordering Mohammad to loot / rob unbelievers and offer him a part of that property is non violence. Jesus saying - "Love thy neighbour as thyself" is violent but Mohammad saying - "I am victorious with terror casted in the minds of infidels." is non violence. Buddha saying - "Non Violence is supreme Dharma" is violent but Jihad is non violence. Vedas ordering - "Protect the 2 footed and the 4 footed" is violent but Quran ordering - "Kill the infidels wherever you find them" is not. What a coincidence!

The main reason why ISLAM prevented murder of women / children is that they can be married to muslims and can be converted to ISLAM. Mohammad married 12 times this way. (Legal order were of only 4)

Now I got why all 1.7 billion muslims worship Osama Bin Laden. Because 9/11 (derived from Quran 9:111 and Shariah) was non violence.

F::: You say - at 1948 Jews invaded Palestine and took it illegally.

Do you have any valid proof? In fact, if we go with newspaper of that times, Jews purchased the land. They paid 40$ for the land which costed $1. Thus, ensured that Arabs too are happy. In UN resolution of 181 where they ordered peaceful co - existence of Israel & Arabs, Israel agreed but Arab refused. If this is illegal invasion, then muslims grabbed each and every society illegally.

- The sword of Mahomet, and the Coran are the most fatal enemies of civilization, liberty and truth which the world has yet known

William Muir, The Life of Mahomet

Then by your logic all civilizations must hate Muslims. Right?

G::: You say - please remember we do not hate anybody.

Hatred. Let us see how is it defined.

According to Princeton Wordnetweb def: HATE = the emotion of intense dislike; a feeling of dislike so strong that it demands action

How logical is this:

Quran 98 6 - Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.

Is this not hatred. I guess it is. For you, it is not hatred.

H::: You say - The word ISLAM came from the word SALAM and SALAM means PEACE.

Actually, Islam means submission of will to Allah. People believe in Allah without knowing what does Allah stand for. This is what Allah stand for:

Quran 8 12 - [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

Allah wants to not only kill infidels but also to cut their fingers. What will Allah do of fingers ??? May be he will use fingers to count how many infidels are killed.

Submitting....

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