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Why all the fuss about Jewish nationalism ?
Reader comment on item: Zionism's Bleak Present

Submitted by Anne-Marie Delcambre (France), Oct 14, 2007 at 06:55

Smoking is forbidden. Jewish nationalism is forbidden. A lecture about islamic antisemitism is forbidden. Zionism is forbidden.

Islamic anti-Zionism (in alliance with the left) does not only affect France but it affects Britain, Belgium, Swiss Cantons, Germany ... We hear "Zionist" being used as a term of abuse and we hear the term "left" used as a compliment !

To day the jihad is focused almost exclusively on Zionism. "They" must eliminate the Jews of Palestine .

Who must eliminate the Jews of Palestine ? Muslims , of course !

They justify their aspiration to eliminate the jews of Palestine by invoking the exemple of Muhammad , who in the 7 th century beheaded the entire male population of Jewish tribe, before proceeding to sell all the women and children into slavery.

Yes , they find encouragement for their actions IN THE KORANIC VERSES.

The islamic view of the Jews in Koran is so bad but.. we find a real difference between Christianity and Islam

In the Christianity the Jews appear as a powerful force, a deadly force : they clamour for kill , they kill God's son ( in the legend of Jesus-Christ the Jews appear as force.)

In Islam it was not the Jews who murdered the Prophet but the Propet who in Medina murdered the Jews.

As a result christian antisemitism differ from islamic antisemitism

In the islamic world we see that the Jews were treated with CONTEMPT or condescending tolerance. The muslims feel contempt for Jews. Don't forget that !

Classical islamic literature has treated the Jews of Medina as a minor episode in the Prophet's life. The numerous anti-Jewish passages in Koran and Hadiths were considered of little significance during centuries .....before the birth of a Jewish state !!!

The birth of a Jewish state changed things.

The kind of antisemitism found in The Koran dehumanizes and demonizes Jews but it's of no importance.

In the Koran contempt of Jews is given by association with a global religious mission, a belief in Paradise.

The Koran is focused on the Hebrew people but the Muslim Brotherhood, for example, focuse on Zionism.

To day Zionism is forbidden. Islamic antisemitism is not forbidden but is a taboo subject.

Many Europeans assume that to draw attention to islamic antisemitism is to play into the hands of racists.

A lecture on Islamic antisemitism might lead to violent reactions from well-organised Muslim students groups. Similar things have happened to me.

Koranic verses have contributed to the anchoring of antisemitic stereotypes in muslim mentalities but European scholars cannot speak about this topic. This mentality - anti-semitic and anti-Zionist - (is the same thing in the muslim mentality) maybe can be reversed but ...this would require intellectual audacity _ on the part of European scholars and on the part of Islamic scholars.

Some Muslims support the universal struggle against antisemitism but all the muslims support the struggle against Zionism ! Poor Zionism ! We are all anti-Zionists now , what a shame !

Why all the fuss about Zionism ?


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Zionism [65 words]David GueirosNov 7, 2007 15:10
Israel shares the same conundrum as the rest of the west. [584 words]HomefrontOct 22, 2007 20:54
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Kattey don't bother [423 words]HomefrontOct 22, 2007 21:32
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I agree -- Israel should fight the archaeology issue hard [132 words]Charles MartelOct 23, 2007 12:52
Religious beliefs of Muslims. [392 words]Kate WagarOct 25, 2007 18:28
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