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To Scholar, answers and outstanding questions with regards to women statues

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Submitted by Lisa (Canada), Nov 24, 2005 at 01:01

Dear Mr/Ms Scholar,

Obviously you haven't read my answers dated Nov 13, 15 and 17.
You have failed to provide me with one verse from Jesus that proofs your point. You have mentioned Martin Luther, I replied to this and verses from the old testimony dated hundreds of years before Jesus was born.
Please look at my reply dated November 17, 2005 at 16:54, it included a comparison between the statues of women in Islam and Christianity. I hope you will be able to answer what I have quoted from the Quran with regards to your prophet

My reply dated November 15, 2005 at 15:32, included answers to the statues of women before islam, you claim that I provided Khadija as the only example, please look at my reply and then decide. I also require comments on these replies

Please look at the end of my reply dated Nov 13, 2005 23:20 with regards to the claim that islam is the fastest growing religion

However, since you insist that I should reply again to the verses you have mostly quoted from the old testimony, please read below:
You have commented that "Deuteronomy 22 (New International Version), 23, 24, 25, 26, 27" This makes me wonder, did not god send these teachings in the bible??? If so, what is the difference? I guess from the Islamic point of view, the main differences I see is that those who commit adultery are flogged except if there were married and only in this case they are stoned. And of course raped women do not get stoned In Islam!!!!!"

Jesus has changed these laws and promotes the statues of human (man and woman). Obviously, Muhammad instead of continuing this journey he brought humanity thousands of years backward.

Example on how Jesus responded to adultery is when the teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with His finger. When they kept on questioning him, He straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.

At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"

"No one, sir," she said.

Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared.

"Go now and leave your life of sin." (John 8:3-11)

Scholar, you have written only part of this verse as below, I am wandering who is taking verses out of context!!!
Ephesians 5:23 (New International Version)
23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.

Here is the full verse"
23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[b] 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church."
Now tell me what is wrong with this verse, the duty on both to respect and be devoted to each other, compare this with allowing a muslim man to marry four women, or allowing a muslim man to beat his wife

You have quoted Leviticus 21:13-15 (New International Version), again this is a hundreds of years old law before Christ

Jesus has changed this law, no divorce in Christianity, separation is permitted in special circumstances, but a divorced person (man or woman) can not remarry unless his or her partner is not alive.

You have quoted "Deuteronomy 25 (King James Version)
This is a law before Christ; in Christianity a woman is free to marry whoever she wants after her husband died

Numbers 30:9-11 (New International Version)
There is no such law in Christianity

Leviticus 15:18-20 (New International Version)
Again this is an old law
Jesus was very clear with this regard, he said " what makes a person unclean is the bad words coming from a person's mouth" there is no such concept that is linked to a human natural aspects in Christianity, a woman can pray and can do all of her religious duties during menstruation. However, this is not permitted in Islam because women are considered unclean during their period. Muhammad as I mentioned brought some or parts of ancient laws and apply them to islam.

Leviticus 21:13-15 (New International Version), I have answered this, a widow in Christianity can re marry who ever she wishes, divorce is not permitted.

You have quoted

Corinthians 14:34-36 (New International Version) and 1 Timothy 2 (New International Version)
34women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Please look at this link for explanation on this www.prmi.org/women5.html. There is no doubt that women not only teach in churches but also have leadership roles.

Read this
In the Lord, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. (I Corinthians 11:11)

My previous comments and questions still stand

Peace be with you
Submitting....

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