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Kamran: It is NO thanks to Allah that people can distinguish between culture and a single person's wicked crimes

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Submitted by Plato (India), May 27, 2009 at 00:28

Kamran, you write,

>>However, thanks to ALLAH, there are still enough people left on the surface of this world that can distinguish between culture and a single person's wicked crimes.<<

It is NO thanks to Allah that people can distinguish between culture and a single person's wicked crimes. You should read about why the Banu Qainuka were exiled from their land and their property confiscated. A Jew of the Qainuka insulted an Arab woman for which the Muslims killed him immediately and the Muslim was also killed by the Jews. For this the entire Jewish tribe was expelled and their property confiscated. Read the full story on this Pakistani site: http://islam.pakistanway.com/showtopic.aspx?topicid=256&typeid=25

In this incident a single person's wicked crime led Muhammad to tar an entire tribe (the incidents leading to this are also eye openers on Muhammad's character. Read about them in Ibn Ishaq, Page 363-4) and expel them from their homeland.

>>That is why Hitlers massacre of the Jews is not called German culture.<<

Germans need not, and very few now, follow Hitler which is why it is not German culture to massacre Jews. But all Muslims follow Muhammad and he ordered the slaughter of any Jew who fell into their hands (Ibn Ishaq Page 505).

Muhammad taught a culture of hatred and abuse against non-Muslims especially Jews as evidenced by the hadith I have quoted below:

Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 449: Narrated Al-Bara:

The Prophet said to Hassan, "Abuse them (with your poems), and Gabriel is with you (i.e, supports you)." (Through another group of sub narrators) Al-Bara bin Azib said, "On the day of Quraiza's (besiege), Allah's Apostle said to Hassan bin Thabit, 'Abuse them (with your poems), and Gabriel is with you (i.e. supports you).

Bukhari Book #73, Hadith #70
Narrated 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (i.e., an evil-doing), and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)."

The second hadith emphasizes the fact that abusing Muslims is evil. The first one tells you abusing non-Muslims is supported by Gabriel. This is the culture your prophet taught you. If you listen carefully the Khutbas on Fridays you will realize that what I am saying is true.

Peace cannot be achieved within the human society by propogating hate.

>>Criminals of humanity should be brought to justice. Linking these criminals to a particular race, culture, religion, color or nation only gives them the protection of their own kind.<<

Such crimes happen everywhere. But they are not ignored by most governments and societies. It is because these people are not brought to justice by their own cultures that these cultures damn themselves. Hence the linkage.

>>The greatest man ever to live on earth, Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) never ever gave a hate speech against anyone.<<

What is the basis for claiming that Muhammad was the greatest human who ever lived? If it is the billion plus following he has, you are probably right. But if it is the kind of followers he has left behind then you are badly mistaken. Clearly you have not read and understood what he did during his lifetime and the legacy he left for his followers. Since you are in Pakistan I suggest you read Ibn Ishaq's Life of Muhammad, translated by Alfred Guillaume, printed by Oxford University Press, Pakistan to get clear picture of what your prophet was up to.

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 392: Narrated Abu Huraira:

While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Does this qualify as a hate speech? It is worse than a hate speech. It is telling the Jews to get out of their ancestral land.

Dawud, Book 19, Number 2996:
Narrated Muhayyisah:
"The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: If you gain a victory over the men of Jews, kill them. So Muhayyisah jumped over Shubaybah, a man of the Jewish merchants. He had close relations with them. He then killed him. At that time Huwayyisah (brother of Muhayyisah) had not embraced Islam. He was older than Muhayyisah. When he killed him, Huwayyisah beat him and said: O enemy of Allah, I swear by Allah, you have a good deal of fat in your belly from his property."

This surely is a hate speech for it resulted in the death of at least one Jew.

And this is your sarcastic comment about killing Middle Easterners: "Believe me the rest of us will be quite happy to see the sight of melting middle eastern bone and flesh." The hadith above makes clear that your Middle Eastern prophet was quite happy to see the sight of the bleeding bodies of his brother Middle Easterners.

>>Even though he and his followers were tortured,jailed and finally bannished from their homes in Mecca.<<

If you really believe what you have written above it shows that your knowledge of Muslim history is limited to what you learned in the Madrassa. In Pakistan you jail and execute people charged with blaspheming Islam and Muhammad. Are you aware of what the prophet and his followers were up to in Mecca? The Muslims used to abuse and make fun of the holy idols of the pagans. Despite this the tolerant Meccans allowed the Muslims to reside among themselves for thirteen years. The Muslims were not banished. They all went under their own steam. In fact many left property and family behind and came to collect them later. Read the biography of the prophet written by Muslim historians and unlearn what the mullah of your madrassa taught you.

>> He fought to uphold justice. The result of his fights (in which less than a 1000 people were killed in 13 years) ended in the unification of the whole of Arabia under one single rule.<<

I do not know where you got your figure from. The massacre of the Banu Quraiza itself resulted in the death of 700 to 900 adult men (Ibn Ishaq). He conducted nearly 80 raids and wars in his life time. Your figure seems to be badly understated. However, you have avoided mentioning the numerous women and children he took as slaves or sold into slavery, surely a life worse than death. Read what happened when he conquered the various Jewish tribes.

>> ( Before this Arabs were divided into hostile groups of plunderers that fought amongst themselves on petty issues) This in turn brought peace and prosperity to Arabia.<<

During his lifetime Muhammed plundered nearly eighty times in ten years. After he died Abu Bakr conducted the ridda wars to bring back tribes who apostasised. Ayesha went to war with Ali. Three of your earliest caliphs were murdered by other Muslims. The prophet's grandsons were cruelly murdered by Muslims. The prophet has left a long trail of blood over the last 1400 years. What peace are you talking about?

>>If the prophet were to be alive today, he would have ordered the immediate punishment of Sheikh Issa.<<

Yes the prophet would have called for the Sheikh to be punished. But the only reason for that would be because the victim was also a Muslim. If he had been an unbeliever the Sheikh would have got off scot free (I have already quoted what your prophet said about killing of innocent Jews). If you get hold of Ibn Ishaq's Life of Muhammad you will also read about Umar, his faithful, follower, saying for Muslims the blood of an unbeliever is worth only that of a dog (Page 505).

>>Unfortunately the prophet is no more amongst us. The world needs to learn from his teachings.<<

I would think that it is fortunate the prophet is not amongst us now. With the distorted (re his calling for the death of Jews) sense of justice he had the world would be in a bigger mess than what Pakistan is in now with Muhammad's devoted followers, the Taliban.

>>If the United States believes in justice and is fighting for it on all fronts ( e.g. drone attacks in PAKISTAN), then I see no reason why it cannot pressure the government of U.A.E to punish Sheikh Issa according to Islamic law.<<

The drone attacks happen because your government and people turned a blind to the terrorists plotting and planning attacks on the US and the rest of the world from your territory.

What is Islamic law in this regard? If the poor Afghan forgives the Sheikh or accepts compensation for his injuries the Sheikh goes free. If the Afghan had been killed his relatives can forgive or accept compensation and the sheikh would have to be freed.




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