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An essential, but still not the best perspective?
Reader comment on item: Arab-Israeli Fatalities Rank 49th

Submitted by Ron Thompson (United States), Oct 8, 2007 at 18:30

As a great believer in the power of numbers and facts, this piece is excellent to have and ponder on all the carnage - perhaps 99.5% of it completely absurd and pointless as well as tragic - since 1950. Nor am I surprised that the figures of the Arab conflict with Israel (the more accurate name for me) are so relatively small.

And yet, as valuable as this perspective is, I'm still not sure it's the very best, especially in view of Dan Pipes' hope that the conflict will somehow, sometime, mysteriously ..... "subside."

If it's true that the Arab conflict with Israel rests not primarily on Palestinian "suffering" (which the Palestinians' 'brothers' in neighboring areas have done so much to perpetuate and institutionalize), but rather on the fact that the very existence of Israel is viewed as an aggression against Islam, and a source of humiliation to Arab pride, then I view the Western search for a negotiated two-state solution as a perfect cover for endless non-acceptance of Israel and eternal grounds for hope among the Arabs that sooner or later Israel will be worn down, or the West will do the Arabs' dirty work for them, or that some Arab State will acquire a deliverable A-bomb which a delusional leader will use.

If this is so, then the best perspective would seem to me to cease all talk of an Palestinian State until some number, say a majority, of Arab and Moslem States, RECOGNIZE Israel and send embassies to Tel Aviv, thereby unmistakably signaling that they do not support continued terror, and terror talk, against Israel.

I say this particularly in view of how much talk there has recently been (which view I agree with) that the US should be in constant communication with Iran. If that is so, how more should the World, and the West, insist that the Moslem world, and particularly the Arab Middle East , should sit across the table from Israel.

In other words, the 'goal posts' which were successfully moved by the Arabs in 1948, and again in 1967 after the Six-day War, when the Arabs refused to deal with Israel - and the West shamefully accepted that refusal - should be moved back to where they make sense. The bluff of the Arab world should be called before the West prolongs any further its witless investment in the mirage of a two state solution preceding an unambiguous Arab acceptance of Israel and rejection of terrorism and extermination language.

Having the courage to lay down and stick by that policy would have a chance (after weathering intial outbursts and outrage) of causing the Arab conflict with Israel to "subside", whereas pursuing the bizarre Western belief that there is any Palestinian or Arab leadership actually willing to negotiate on the basis that the Arabs lost the struggle to destroy Israel will only continue to fuel the conflict.

Ron Thompson


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What about recent conflicts?
[w/response] [11 words]
Nasser AhmadFeb 1, 2009 00:15
Add Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya to the list? [125 words]James GarnerNov 7, 2007 15:28
Statistics Analysis - Could we recalculate to determine the religion of the bellicose parties? [23 words]David from NYCNov 4, 2007 07:51
Muslim-on-Muslim deaths [223 words]jennifer solisNov 5, 2007 16:01
42. 80,000 Iran, 1978-79 (revolution) - What is the source please? [18 words]AlonOct 28, 2007 16:34
Information on Iran [36 words]jennifer solisNov 5, 2007 14:38
Statistics somewhat misleading [123 words]Chuck A.Oct 17, 2007 03:31
Grave mensonge autour de la mort de Mohammed al Dorra [1652 words]FTOUH SOUHAILOct 14, 2007 09:23
FTOUH SOUHAIL [148 words]shaynaOct 14, 2007 17:28
Excusez-moi ! [10 words]JaladhiOct 15, 2007 19:26
Understanding Truth, No Matter the Language [699 words]M. ToveyOct 17, 2007 12:22
Ben-Dror Yemini, israeli journalist and publicist [25 words]MosheOct 12, 2007 10:30
kasmir not a war of independence
[w/response] [245 words]
nitishOct 12, 2007 01:20
Something worse [64 words]Peter HerzOct 11, 2007 21:16
Statistics are unuseful distractions; what is important is that Israel will make painful concessions unto death! [317 words]marianaOct 11, 2007 16:25
About "..and America is not too far behind."...to Mariana. [208 words]YnnatchkahOct 11, 2007 19:36
The Palestinian Authority's planned destruction of Israel. On DVD. Free! [256 words]Dr RJPOct 12, 2007 00:28
Ynnatchkah [56 words]shaynaOct 12, 2007 20:41
From Your Lips To G*d's Ears. Some Reasons Why I'm Less Optimistic [586 words]marianaOct 12, 2007 21:40
Arab-Israel Conflict Ranks 49th "What a disappointment!" [80 words]Yehuda WeinraubOct 11, 2007 09:41
False [179 words]Eoin O'CheallaighOct 11, 2007 04:59
Number (almost) right, focus distorted [148 words]joe roseOct 10, 2007 08:44
joe rose [488 words]shaynaOct 11, 2007 15:49
stats don't lie [86 words]Donald OOct 11, 2007 16:18
joe rose [128 words]shaynaOct 14, 2007 17:38
Arab-Israeli Conflict is only just another excuse for Islamic Terrorism [182 words]Egyptian ChristianOct 10, 2007 06:16
Wahhabis don't deserve all the credit for terrorism - the credit goes to Islam!!! [222 words]JaladhiOct 10, 2007 22:02
Islam is committing crimes since 1400 years and till today in Egypt [116 words]Egyptian ChristianOct 15, 2007 10:59
we are busted [132 words]shinaDec 19, 2007 20:25
christians killing muslims for centuries [70 words]m rizwan khanAug 2, 2009 01:32
Arabe Israeli fatalitites rank 49th - So what !!! [234 words]M.D. AnthonyOct 9, 2007 19:00
M.D. Anthony [111 words]shaynaOct 11, 2007 15:57
I say again 51,000 ....so what! [398 words]M.D. AnthonyOct 12, 2007 18:56
Reply [562 words]shaynaOct 12, 2007 20:20
M.D. Anthony called Shayna a LIBERAL??! [206 words]jennifer solisOct 14, 2007 16:05
nothing ever really changes [157 words]J. whiteOct 9, 2007 18:37
Kashmir [70 words]VijayOct 9, 2007 17:57
bar graphs
[w/response] [73 words]
ElisabethOct 9, 2007 17:20
What if? [149 words]VijayOct 9, 2007 17:11
Objectivity vs. Subjectivity [197 words]jennifer solisOct 9, 2007 16:30
"Le livre noir du communisme" gives somewhat different figures [46 words]Mladen AndrijasevicOct 9, 2007 15:51
how many dead in Kashmir [171 words]G.VishvasOct 9, 2007 13:53
G.Vishvas [124 words]shaynaOct 9, 2007 18:29
wake up, world [172 words]Rebecca MouldsOct 9, 2007 10:34
Anti-Semitism [115 words]Boris NOct 9, 2007 07:36
So let's not worry about it . [57 words]David PalmerOct 9, 2007 04:04
Statistical Proofs [58 words]dov epsteinOct 9, 2007 03:15
A side-show [176 words]Martin KesslerOct 9, 2007 01:22
Arab-Israeli fatalities [134 words]Steven lOct 8, 2007 23:28
The Sunni-Shia Divide [137 words]Richard B.Oct 8, 2007 22:00
Interesting dissection that will never see the light of day in the MSM... [59 words]HomefrontOct 8, 2007 21:05
Welcome Perspective, at last. [72 words]C.M. GriffithOct 8, 2007 20:51
How about the number of non-Muslims killed by Muslims? [257 words]Dr RJPOct 8, 2007 20:23
Some Musings on: Where We Are? and Where Do We Go From Here? [1049 words]marianaOct 13, 2007 17:39
the plain truth would do just fine [92 words]Leo SolomonOct 8, 2007 18:59
Data
[w/response] [99 words]
KarenOct 8, 2007 18:50
To Ms. Karen [17 words]Egyptian ChristianOct 10, 2007 06:38
What is significant about this conflict [63 words]RickOct 8, 2007 18:43
⇒ An essential, but still not the best perspective? [486 words]Ron ThompsonOct 8, 2007 18:30
Perception [61 words]David W. LincolnOct 8, 2007 18:23
challenge [186 words]Rebecca MouldsOct 9, 2007 18:04
Counter point [251 words]David W. LincolnOct 10, 2007 23:30
To Mr. Gunnar: [264 words]YnnatchkahOct 8, 2007 18:18
Nightmares From The Past [240 words]Doris J. SnyderOct 8, 2007 18:05
Quite a List [91 words]blackspeareOct 8, 2007 18:05
Palestinian-Israeli [148 words]Donald W. BalesOct 8, 2007 17:50
Solution [194 words]AdeimusJun 15, 2008 01:53

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