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Reader comment on item: Debate in London: Radical Islam vs. Civilization
in response to reader comment: MANY MODERATE MUSLIMS SPEAKS OUT......

Submitted by Noah Wilk (United States), Feb 21, 2007 at 08:01

Ahmadzafire wrote:

"There are many muslims that speak out about violence in the middle east and condemn terrorists as do i."

Really? Prove it! How about some references to large scale movements within the Muslim community to reform Islam? I've scoured the internet and have not found any such incident. In fact, I reference these typical failures of the Muslim community to reform itself:


A community of 50,000 Muslims and practically none of them attended. What was their excuse?

Or how about this one, complete with pictures of the event?


There were more Jews in attendance than Muslims!

Can you explain why, if there are 1.2 billion Muslims worldwide, and supposedly 90% of them are peaceful, we are not seeing even one one-thousanth of one percent of them (0.001%) gathered to march for peace? That would mean 10,800 of them marching. Even if only one ten-thousanth of one percent (0.0001%) of them marched, we'd be seeing crowds of 1,080 Muslims gathered.

Can you point me to a single event where even one ten-thousanth of one percent (0.0001%) of Muslims gathered to demonstrate for reform of Islam? That would be a crowd of 1,080 Muslims. Will the upcoming Secular Islamic Summit on March 5th, 2007 in Florida yield even one ten-thousanth of one percent (0.0001%) of Muslims to fight for reform? I predict that even less will attend. I suspect that we won't see even one one-hundred-thousanth of one percent (0.00001%) or 108 Muslims in attendance.

Until I see positive, verifiable proof of some sort of large scale reform, I say that the mythological "mdoerate" Muslims do not exist. I don't think asking to see one ten-thousanth of one percent of Muslims working to reform Islam is asking much at all. Even if we confined that number to Muslims living in America alone, that would mean 2,000 Muslims gathered, at least (based on the most accurate estimate of 2,000,000 Muslims living in America). We never see even 100 Muslims gathered in America to reform Islam.

"The only thing that i would can say is go out to some muslim communities and buy or look for flyers, papers or article about islam in today's world."

I used to live in a community that was heavily Muslim. They hung portraits of well known and admitted terrorist leaders in their windows and mourned when those terrorists were taken out by Israel. We're talking hardcore, murderous, admitted terrorists who were guilty of atrocities. They engaged in non-stop propaganda against America and Israel. They indoctrinated their children into their demented hatred of all things non-Muslim, especially Jews, Christians, and Americans. They never revealed any sign of the desire to reform their religion, and their depraved views were brought out every time I discussed or debated issues with them. They sponsored funding drives for terrorist organizations and practiced discrimination against non-Muslim customers who frequented their stores. I saw no redeeming qualities in their community all the while Iived there, which was about 5 years.

"People of the world must do research to see the truth or else be blind to the fact."

So enlighten me! Show me the truth! Point me towards these massive numbers of reform-minded Muslims you claim exist. Show me where they exist in large numbers. Show me where they speak out as a community. Explain to me why the rallies I posted links to above failed to generate even 100 Muslims despite being promoted by Muslims and despite being in a community of 50,000 Muslims. If there is this drive to reform Islam, then even if only 1% of them in Arizona turned out, they'd have had 500 representives in attendance. Nowhere near that.

Can you explain these things and back your claims?


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