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Anachronism as "history"

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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Sep 29, 2011 at 09:20

Debanjan Banerjee wrote

> The Italians themselves did very horrible crimes for example the burning and wholesale slaughter of Carthegians.<

Just for your information, the fall of Carthage took place in 146 B.C. during the Third Punic war. A few decades earlier during the Second Punic war the Carthaginians had stood at the gates of Rome ravaging and terrorizing the peninsula. But according to such a distinguished "scholar" as you the Romans had no right or reason to take precautions for the future, did they?

Note also that there were no "Italians" at that time yet, as you anachronistically say, but Romans and their allies- Italici. Centuries will have to elapse before something you call "Italians" will emerge on the ruins of the Roman Empire brought about by the mass barbarian immigrations to the West in then 4th and 5th centuries.

> If you support the destruction of Carthagians ( I have never seen any Western intellectual condemining the devastation of Carthage by the Roman legions)) then surely what you describe is trivial compared to what the Turks did some centruies later.<

That you have no idea of the Roman history is clear to me not only from your anachronisms and distortions . Your testimonium paupertatis is eloquent enough. It is what Polybius (Book XXXIX) writes :

"At the sight of the city utterly perishing amidst the flames Scipio Africanus (the Roman commander-in- chief ) burst into tears, and stood long reflecting on the inevitable change which awaits cities, nations, and dynasties, one and all, as it does every one of us men. This, he thought, had befallen Ilium, once a powerful city, and the once mighty empires of the Assyrians, Medes, Persians, and that of Macedonia lately so splendid. And unintentionally or purposely he quoted---the words perhaps escaping him unconsciously---

"The day shall be when holy Troy shall fall
And Priam, lord of spears, and Priam's folk."

That you never read sources there is no need to stress, I guess. That you make far-reaching conclusions based on your own ignorance it is not necessary to highlight either. But that you assume the same degree of ignorance on the part of persons you address is something remarkable which to my mind must have much to do with your Moslem faith that has deregulated many better brains than yours.

> Another matter , no one in the West mentions the brutal that was meted to innocent Turkish Muslims after the Ottoman empire lost its wars in the Balkans.<

First, it's up to you to prove they were "innocent" having enjoyed all the privileges and impunity of the Herrenvolk in the shariah-ruled Turkish autocracy. Can you give me a single example of exactly when, where and on what occasion a dispute between a lawless raya (kafir) and a Moslem was decided by the Turkish court of justice in favor of the raya? Just one example , please!

Second, this is again your ignorance that makes you assert that "no one in the West mentions the brutal that was meted to innocent Turkish Muslims". In fact every Moslem in the West starting with the Turkish colonialists in Germany sings that old distorted song I have heard ad nauseam.

All I can tell you that it is not the Greeks, the Serbs, the Bulgarians, the Valachians, the Hungarians, the the Poles, the Russians, the Germans that first attacked the Turks in their Central Asiatic homeland but it is the Turkish barbarians that came from Central Asia to massacre, torture,enslave and steal the land and human resources of the Greeks, the Serbs, the Bulgarians, the Valachians, the Hungarians, the Poles,the Russians , the Germans converting them in the process to their animal-like Islam. You will of course deny the victims any right to self-defence and restitution of their property , won't you? You are a true Moslem jackal like all of them. In a conflict betwen a Moslem and a kafir the latter has no chance of justice and redress. We kafirs know your mendacious Moslem ways all too well.

> Why millions were murdered in Greece , Poland , Bulgaria or rest of the Balkans ?<

Well, the genocides perpetrated by the Turkish Moslems in Europe go back to the 11 century and the brutal Seljuk invasions.They are continued by the Ottoman animals and culminate between 1915-1923 in multiple genocides of the Armenians, the Greeks and the Assyrians and go on until now with the oppression and expulsion of the Kurds. I agree that no more horrifiying crimes have been perpetrated in human history than those by the Moslems against us kafirs ,especially by the Turkish Moslems who have always been in the most literal sense the curse and scourage of Europe.

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