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CURMALLY: You seem to switch your identity between Pakistani and Muslim.

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Submitted by Plato (India), Oct 19, 2010 at 09:34

Curmally, you wrote to me:

>>I was Mumbai born as was my Father and my Mother was Pune born. My paternal Grandfather came from Cutch. Sorry i am not even a closet Arab But I am student of history.<<

Here is what you wrote: You say we sided with Hitler. History will show that the Grand Mufti of Palestine did and he did so because in 1940s, we had been colonized by the British

You will notice you say we in regard to the Grand Mufti of Palestine. Why did you not say the Palestinian Arabs were colonized by the British. You seem not to have read my reply.

>>If you think I employ a superior tone, then may in all humility suggest you stop getting worked up. Once you do that, you too will find a easier to marshal your facts and put them done with greater effect.<<

You should have given an example of my worked up reply. But you sound worked up about what you consider is disrespect to Mohammed even though what we point is all there in the Koran, hadith and sira. We did not invent those stories about the doings of your prophet. If Mohammed wanted respect he would have respected people of other beliefs.

>>Get your facts straight about the Turkish massacre of Armenians. to what extent did the Armenians try to rise up and break away from Turkey. But then I cannot condone the massacre if it did take place. I believe the international fora are doing something in that direction.<<

To what extent are the Kashmiri Muslims trying to rise up and breakaway? And over several decades the number of dead (Pakistani infiltrators, Indian forces and demonstrators will not amount to a fraction of Aramenians massacred. Check the numbers.

>>In so far as saying no more to some people, the subject before us is Dueling Fatwas. What have you or anyone else said on the subject? In much the same way if you get personal or abusive, I don't see any reason to take any nonsense from anybody <<

You have been on this blog before so you will know that the threads can sometimes go off at a tangent. You should not be surprised that an article on fatwas goes off to comments on the crusades. This blog is all about Islam, Muslims, Middle East etc. so you should not be surprised. This happens with other articles posted here.

So what is the nonsense you are getting from me. Please spell it out or point to any of my replies as evidence.

>>I have tried my best to be polite and respectful but if you think that is a weakness, then you don't know your arse from your elbow. Can you write on the subject before us?<<

So what brought on my arse into the picture? This is not a sign of a calm and polite person. Respect is not a one way street. The person who expects respect must also give respect. I have been pointing out to you that Mohammed showed contempt and disrespect for us infidels. Why do you think we should respect such a person. The disrespect we show is a direct result of the disrespect we find in Islam for us. No disrespect has been shown to you as a person by me. Show me where in my posts. Your constant on respect for your religion and Mohammed reflects the deep insecurities you have about your religion (claiming to be one thing but acting entirely) and the Prophet (the Insan al Kamil behaving exactly the opposite of one). I find followers of no other show this kind of insecurity flying off at the handle at the slightest criticism.

>>I will not stand up to for any insults to my religion or my Prophet.<<

Your prophet is long-dead public figure. He insulted the holy symbols of his Arabian brothers and of the Jews and Christians. Why do you want to come to the defence of such a person? The religion he created is full of insults delivered to all idol worshippers and Jews and Christians.

>>Not you or I can change history but we can determine the future. It was with that spirit I wrote my replies to you and asked you repeatedly not to go into the form of argument our exchange of emails has taken.. Yes there will come a time when I will stop writing to you as I did with Dhimmi no more. <<

What worries us the way Islam tries to determine OUR future. It wants Muslims to fight us until we become Muslims or pay a humiliation tax. The spirit of Islam is one of domination and submission. We cannot tolerate domination or submission like a slave to any religion or its god.

>>What you say has nothing to do with Dueling fatwas but a broadside against Islam and Muslims in general.<<

Maybe you did not see it. But the Danielpipes article is a broadside against against what he calls Islamism with its drawing of Mohammed and other cartoons lampooning some of Islam's foibles. Do you want me to make a comment on the cartoon's likeness to Mohammed to keep to the contents of the article?

>>Why am I not taken aback. Indian s have a habit to referring to Pakistanis as porky.<<

First time I have heard this. I have not read any Indian commentator on this blog or any other using the word Porky for a Pakistani (Paki, maybe). We do say miah though. You may be aware of how Pakistanis refer to Indians. We are nation of polytheists and believe there is divinity in everything. So if you call us snakes or dogs or whatever it is no big deal, we won't even wince.

>> Do we all you bhaji palak or dhoti tight? <<

There is divinity even in bhaji palak or a tight dhoti. Go right ahead and have fun calling us names.

>>Have I made any reference to your religion or religious practices? In your next mail stick to the subject or else I'm gone.<<

Actually I don't have a religion so your question is pointless. I live among people who go to temples, churches and mosques and they know I am an atheist. They have no problem with that. I wonder what would happen to me if I declared I am an atheist in Pakistan, the land of the pure.

The broad purview of this blog is Islam and everything connected with it. So if you can't stand the heat of debate nobody is stopping you from leaving the blog.

Nobody will stop you from going. It is easy to make you leave this blog. Just tell the truth about Islam and Mohammed and you are gone!

Regards

Plato

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