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Submitted by kman (United States), Oct 16, 2010 at 20:47

One time atheist. This gives me a better feel for who you are you. Coming from where you do, most likely Islam was the only solid offering. Dangerous even to consider any other in your area of the world. I like your professed beliefs. Our problem is your profession of beliefs which are highly laudable, as opposed to the actual history of Islam. All religions have had their ups and downs, but Islam from any history I have ever seen which includes many besides U.S. teachings of that history, consistently shows the nature of Islam I have told you of.

I see what you wish in a God and hope that is truly who you are, but The international and historical picture of Islam is that of many hordes of people who wish for a peaceful life and goodwill towards the rest of humanity. That is until the radicals come in and explain to the "moderates" the actual truth of Islam which says abrogation rules. Meaning, Muhammad's latter teachings hold absolute dominion over and replace his earlier ones of "peaceful co-existence". This is the prevailing pattern throughout history. Billions of peace loving Muslims buy into Muhammad's earlier teachings - quite honorable. However, the radicals never fail to prevail as I have observed throughout Europe lately and Northern Africa, the Middle East, and India in the past - the latter histories have always been militant and Islam has grown in power and geography through this dual presentation of Islam - the moderates migrate, establish peace loving communities, and then the radicals inevitably change the course fabricating all kinds of excuses to go on the attack - militantly and ruthlessly.

As I said, I can respect absolutely your professed beliefs, but know the practiced nature of Islam as it ebbs and sways between the two doctrines of Muhammad. Islam never consistently holds to one doctrine. When power is lacking politically and militarily, they profess "peace", but, then the militants come in as soon as any dominance is established.

Understand, I have never had much trouble with Muhammad's earlier beliefs. It is the ever changing chameleon, though. Acceptance, friendship, treaties, etc, while in subservient position, but it irrevocably changes for whatever excuse including a pattern of manufactured "insults" which are extremely local, and then extrapolated to monstrous magnifications of worldwide criminal behavior.

Jesus Christ taught only peace, love, and forgiveness for humanity knowing it would bring dissension between those who saw and beleived and those who wanted an easier and more self-serving role to personal pleasures and riches. Therein, God's people throughout all time have always strayed from God's call to personal sacrifice to serve Him first and and the rest of humanity. That was the initial purpose of God's establishing the Hebrew peoples of the Canaanite regions. Once again, as God predicted, man failed him and went far south of God's intents and purposes.

Ultimately God cares for all peoples and wishes for them to see beyond personal, local, and cultural characteristics to bring all to believe in His ultimate solution which entailed - His own sacrifice - man repeatedly and thoroughly failed throughout all history despite God's repeated cleansing and jumpstarts of a new people. Man always allowed Satan into their personal character as always demonstrated throughout all Biblical history. Man ALWAYS failed, corrupted, and spoiled God's attempts to establish peace and love for ALL mankind despit culture, geography, etc. This brings in the much feared and abhorred word - proselytizing. Sorry, God has always intended the PEACEFUL spread of His teachings and intents.

Man fails repeatedly. God finally sends His heavily prophesied Messiah who produces the final solution. Having sacrificed monumentally of Himself, he called man to do the same. He paid the ultimate price for ever-failing man. He calls for no less in His peoples. Regions and cultures have no bearing, which is what I have tried to get across to you. I never thump the drum of my own unless their are isolated good traits - here we have the freedom to decide and investigate all religions. The teachings of Jesus (Isa) have always called for stepping across all man made barriers of nation, culture, race, etc.

How would you judge between g(G)ods? Again, how do you see the most honorable - a god who calls for a small segment of humanity to wiithdraw "peacefully" into itself and selfishly holding to its own eternal destiny, or one who calls his people to reach out peacefully at all personal costs to bring as many others of any region to find Him? I'm not saying I disrespect your beliefs, only that that belief has a time bomb implanted within it that ineviatbly calls its adherents to shift to the abrogational "truth" of the prophet's latter teachings. It is a matter of historical fact.

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