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in response to reader comment: Islam May Get Its Moment on Earth - But the King of Kings, King of Israel, Son of David, Moves Only According to the WORD of the LORD in the Holy Bible

Submitted by Nura (United States), Nov 14, 2008 at 16:13

No Muslim has antipathy for any book of God, such as the Gospel as revealed to Jesus, son of Mary. To be a Muslim one must believe in all the books of Allah. That being said, the only opposition that Muslims have to the Bible is the lies that are within it of which you have admitted corruption. I have only acknowledged this corruption.

Nowhere in the scriptures does Jesus Christ give the ability to ‘damn' anyone to anywhere. That is reserved to Almighty God the Father, who by the way is the only one who can forgive sins, which power and authority, by the way, reside in Jesus Christ, His Son.

That is an interesting statement considering that those who call themselves Christians are very good at damning people who do not except Jesus as the son of God. This is both historic and present.

The issues you speak of do come from a time of the first commentaries on scriptural things, and it is this reader's view that all commentaries that try to make more complex the simplicity of the truth of the Holy Bible are in danger of providing that corruption you and so many others assert are the fault of the Holy Bible, when in fact it is in the commentaries of so many who try to ‘interpret' scripture, they do it violence of words, which eventually brings violence to support the corrupted claim.

It has never been my aspiration or aspiration of Muslims to blame anything on the Bible itself or the Messiah (PBUH). He is clear from the lies that have been attributed to him THROUGH interpretation. Why is it difficult of inconceivable for you to take your own argument regarding interpretation of scripture and apply it to the doctrine of the trinity? The Trinity is only interpreted, is it not? Its existence is only "implied" in the scriptures yet you are outraged that Muslims reject it! There are Christians who also reject it so we are not the only people who recognize the conspiracy.

The ‘Nicene Creed', or any creed not found in the inerrant Word of the LORD as found in the Holy Bible, is suspect. Without such scriptural basis, it is merely the words of a people trying to be spiritual without having the Holy Spirit leading them.

I agree. Especially for the reason that it is this creed and this creed alone that paved the way for the Trinity Doctrine. Why are you not a Unitarian Christian then?

Now in the circumstance of quoting unbelievers in trying to dispel the faith of true believers, therein lies the fallacy of your arguments. Of course they can provide you with the fodder of the Adversary, whose very first act in being sent out of heaven was to whisper those fateful words to the woman, ‘did God really say?' Then she goes to the man, who should have known better since he walked with Almighty God in the garden, and took those fateful steps of unbelief we are so susceptible to in our sins. It is for that reason of sinful men, women and children that Jesus Christ was sent by Almighty God the Father for the salvation of mankind. That is the crux of the Gospel, no matter what the early commenters felt that they had to elaborate upon.

The adversary enticed both Adam and Eve. It is only the Judeo-Christian perspective that asserts that it was the woman who was first led astray by the "adversary", and she led Adam away. This perspective is not supported by the Quran or Islam.

Surah Bakara

We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."

Then did Satan make them slip from the (garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. We said: "Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time."


Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

We said: "Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein."

The fall of Adam and Eve was not only necessary, but also a testament of the great wisdom of Allah. The major factors in this fall is the establishment of the free will, the forgetfulness of man, the great enemy of man and his promises (Satan), the superiority of repentance, the promise of Guidance, the reward of heaven, the punishment of hell. It is clear that Man was promised Guidance to the right way once established on earth. You contend that this was the guidance through Jesus Christ, although he did not arrive until the legacy of revelation was almost completed. He was the last Jew prophet, so this interpretation cannot stand. The salvation that Jesus offered is no different than the salvation that Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, David, Moses and Jesus offered to their people through revelation! What prophet came without saying "Follow this guidance for salvation?" This is the heritage of the messages that came thousands of years before the birth of Christ, and the message that HE himself followed and preached.

The major difference is that he will return as promised. This return is not solely for the salvation of man, according to your own scriptures he is supposed to defeat his adversaries. It is to support the believers, kill the anti-Christ, and clear the blasphemies that had been attributed to him, establish himself as a just ruler among the people, live, marry, and die. These are the reasons for his return.

Now, as this relates to Muslims, it is a simple issue of unbelief in Jesus Christ as to Who He really is.

This is no simple issue when Muslims only echo and repeat what Jesus (PBUH) himself said! How is this a testament of disbelief?

Islam has vindicated Jesus(PBUH) from the lies of the Jews that he was a false Messiah or as you mentioned Rabbie, so Muslims were not just merrily taking there information fr Jews.

..it has been said that the Islamic Prophet did not read or write, that task being delegated to dedicated followers. So it stands to reason, he did not have the ability to read the scriptures for himself.

I've never heard of the illiteracy of The Prophet (PBUH) being disputed, so it is safe to believe that he was illiterate in that he could not read or write. This was actually not uncommon in that time period. It is important to note that the Quran like most of the scriptures before it was first an oral tradition before it was ever written. I believe the Bible was written 300 years after the disappearance of Christ. The Quran was also an oral tradition that was memorized in the hearts of many people of the time and later written. The memorization of the Quran is still very much part of the religion of Islam.

…. So it stands to reason, he did not have the ability to read the scriptures for himself. In that time, Christianity (the same Christianity that acceded to the ‘Nicene Creed') had fallen prey to the various interpretations abounding in the 6th and 7th centuries, including the Judaic insertions that Jesus was merely a rabbi, at best, or a discredited messianic hoax. This is the information available to the Islamic Prophet and his followers at the time of his visitation. It is no wonder then that they thought it corrupted, for the people of the time dismissed the simple Gospel and replaced it with the lies of the Adversary.

I'm not sure what scriptures you are referring to here. He memorized the Quran so there was no need for him to be able to read it. It was revealed to his heart where only he knew the perfect interpretation of each verse and lived his life accordingly. I will further your argument in saying that it is true that he could not read scriptures including the Bible and the Torah. With this said, it is hard to imagine that the Quran, as many has charged, is only a plagiarism of the Bible and Torah. It is clear from the above argument that this is not possible. When studying the Quran, it is apparent that messages within its monologue to mankind, is strikingly similar to prior scriptures. In addition, the Quran expands understanding of biblical accounts including the story of Jesus (PBUH) which is not found in prior revelations.

There are many reasons why the Quran charges the corruptions of the scriptures before. What is interesting is that this charge was the first of its kind! Thousands of years later, we all know that there are corruptions in both the Bible and Torah only vindicated what the Quran stated earlier. The greatest charge of corruption in the Bible is the implications of a son of God. It is also this belief that is the most controversial within Christianity itself in understanding this relationship.

I will not trade comparisons of Gospel truths and the corrupted plagiarisms you try to use to make a point, for it too engages in the duplicitous efforts to make the Gospel more difficult than it really needs to be. You imply that I would overuse the simplicity of the Gospel; I do and here it is. Jesus Christ, Son of David, Son of Man, Son of God, born of a virgin in Nazareth, preached the WORD of the LORD, performed miracles to validate His fulfillment of the prophets as to Who He is, was rejected by the rulers of the Sanhedrin and put to death under Roman authority for the remission of our sin debt, died on the cross to make that payment with His blood, rose from the dead for our justification in faith in Him, then ascended to the right hand of Almighty God, to await the time that is just now upon us for His return to rule in Jerusalem.

How can you state the latter when you have contended the former? The basis for your "simple" belief is rooted in corrupted plagiarisms! Once you have established that the Bible is corrupted, how can you determine which aspects are plagiaries? How can you be sure of anything, simple? I ask you this because, as a Muslim, the only way I can distinguish the truth from falsehood in the Bible is the Quran. This is why I am able to read the Bible form cover to cover without feeling any hypocrisy on my part. This is how I am able to truly understand and love Jesus (PBUH) for who he was. This is my tool for measure, but what is yours? I suggest that you use the messages of Abraham and his progeny to make this decision. If you do so, you will find where your belief is in error.

Note: He actually prayed to the Father for the possibility of a different way to prove His love, recognizing in Himself from the time of the origination of the plan in eternity, that there really was no other way that would be holy.

This is your interpretation. Even using your interpretation, it is clear that Jesus did not want to be crucified. He prayed to be saved from the judgment of the Romans. This is the simple truth, regardless of why you argue his reasoning for this. He would have preferred not to die. It is further assumed that he expected to be saved! This is the reason for his prayer on the cross "God why hath thou forsaken me……" This is a response from someone who prayed for help and believed that he did not receive it. He believed that God had left him! For the record, I don't believe that a prophet would ever say such a thing, or that he was ever on the cross at all, but for the sake of argument, it is clear that he was not a willing sacrifice.

The Quran supports this account in saying the Allah answered his prayer and saved him from crucifixion. The Surah Maida, "the table spread", it speaks of the "Last supper" what Jesus' expectations for his future.

Surah Maida


Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'


"And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Messenger: they said, 'We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to Allah as Muslims'".


Behold! the disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear Allah, if ye have faith."

113 They said: "We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts, and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle."


Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)."


Allah said: "I will send it down unto you: But if any of you after that resisteth faith, I will punish him with a penalty such as I have not inflicted on any one among all the peoples."


And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.


Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.


"If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise."


Allah will say: "This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,- their eternal Home: Allah well-pleased with them, and they with Allah: That is the great salvation, (the fulfilment of all desires).

This is the truth of that account. Allah saved Christ the son of Mary.

Now earlier in your dissertation, you try to dismiss the presence of the Holy Spirit in the teaching of Jesus Christ, and in doing so, dismiss the very possibility of understanding what the Holy Bible has witnessed.

I only dismissed the holy spirit as being part of a triune God. I can't deny it entirely because Allah said: "Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit……" When speaking to Jesus. What I have contended in that the Holy Spirit is more than an Angel or righteous person. It is not an entity that was promised after Christ, the reliever, or companion, who would teach men what Jesus(PBUH) did not. Jesus (PBUH) has said that he had much more to say to his disciples, but the spirit of truth would come and finish his message. This is not the Holy Spirt that is believed to have inspired Mark, Luke, John, and Mathew. Not only did they did not reveal any new teaching, but they differed and were inconsistent in what the Holy Spirit revealed to them.

The key is LISTENING to JESUS CHRIST, and not the musings of men and women.

If you listened to him, red letter Bible is the closest, you would be a Unitarian.

This could go on, but since it is my intention to clarify why the Gospel of Jesus Christ is distinct and separate from the teachings of Islam, and no amount of blurring the lines between the two will ever achieve the idea that Islam can replace the truth of the Holy Bible, we can say this.

The reason that the Gospel is different than Islam is because the plagiarism that exist within it. Islam is the replacement for all the religions of Abraham in that it unites all truths, books, and prophets into one brotherhood that crosses the boundaries of race and nationalism. It is finalization of the heritage of faith. The blurring lines are only truths that have been forgotten. Christians have forgotten a large part of message. Islam, the Quran, is the reminder.

Israel is now at the crossroads spoken of by the true prophets of the LORD in the Holy Bible, and while you and others make your unsubstantiated claims that you wait for the messiah, it is Israel who will truly be glad when Yeshua HaMashiach makes Himself known to the true disciples of faith.

The children of Israel is, and has been cursed more than any people on earth. Despite the fact, that the children of Israel is lost, both in faith and as a race, is a testament that they will not be able to overcome the trials to come. They don't have the means. It is statement like these that makes me think that you are a Zionist. A Jew, portraying Christianity to mislead Christians into believing that they have a common cause. Despite who you actually are, The Yeshua of Israel, is not Yeshua son of Mary. Your greatest error calling him Yeshua HaMashiach, while there will be one who will go by this name, however, he will not be the son of Mary. Muslims are protected from this inevitable error. We know that the only Messiah is the son of Mary. We know that the Messiah will not rule from Jerusalem until after the false messiah is killed. We know that he will be the goat, thief, bad shepherded, that Jesus (PBUH) warned of. We know that he true Messiah will not rule on rivers of blood. He will not say that he is the son of God, or God himself. We know that the true believers will have to flee to the mountains as both Jesus and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) warned under the rule of the false Messiah. We know that the false messiah will mislead many and will have control over the earth for a time. We know that the rule of the false messiah will happen before the rule of Jesus son of Mary. This is what "Israel" is waiting for. Their time when they will rein on earth, is this not their prophecy? Yes, they will be very happy when the third temple is built; the world is plunged into massacres upon massacres. This is what they and you wait for. This is the future that is being worked on as we speak. It is unfortunate that Christians and Jews don't realize that Zionist only seek to strip every remnant of religion from the people. Their state should be called the anti-Israel in that it completely different that the kingdom of David and Solomon. It was founded in disbelief and you believe that it is they who will recognize truth in the end? It's not possible.


The prophetic scriptures of both before and latter are being revealed as we speak. This is why I can't understand why do can't see where this story is headed. The most powerful on the earth, cannot be the most righteous at the same time. It is only the most powerful on the earth who will be capable of fulfilling these prophecies of murder and mayhem. Wars and rumors or wars are only becoming more common and if Israel has it's way, the world will be plunged into the greatest of all wars. Jesus warned that you will be able to tell the wolves in sheep clothing by their deeds. He said further, evil deeds do not yield good fruit. Ye shall reap what ye sow. Take his warnings to heart and free yourself from the chains of the beasts.


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