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JustMe, I am defending what I see is right

Reader comment on item: Something Rotten in Denmark?
in response to reader comment: Abdul Rahman - Christian ? Muslim ? Execution ?

Submitted by Hind Samy (Egypt), Mar 29, 2006 at 17:26

Submitted by JustMe, Mar 29, 2006 at 00:37
I don't see men having to suffer the pains of childbirth ("in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children")
So I'd say you're off on that one as Adam did not receive that extra punishment. God said from that day on that's how it would be, and that is exactly how it is. How can you disqualify that reality?

My reply:
Childbirth is painful - that's a fact of life - it isn't because Eve did something naughty. That's the difference between Christianity and Islam. Eve did something bad so we're all cursed? Where's the logic or mercy in that?! Female animals feel pain in labour, does that mean they too were cursed with Eve's punishment?! I can't believe you believe that! Then you claim that Jesus (pbuh) suffered terribly to remove sin from everyone else - what's with all this suffering? Why are people (and apparently animals) inheriting sins and punishment from others? Sorry but to me that sounds very messed up.

As for you adding your little incorrect commentary in brackets:

"the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing four times) by Allah.."

Here are 3 different interpretations (translations) of the same verse:

YUSUFALI: If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.
PICKTHAL: As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them or (until) Allah appoint for them a way (through new legislation).
SHAKIR: And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them.

4 DIFFERENT PEOPLE - FOUR EYE WITNESSES - do you know how hard it is to get 4 eye wtinesses of adultery? Am I getting through to you? Kindly refrain from trying to twist the words of the Koran, I did not do this when I quoted from the Bible, at least show me the same courtesy.

I will not respond to deliberate twisting of words and lies anymore.

Good day.

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