Will the Real Sword of Islam please stand up! Morteza read, rhetoric of hate, instigating bigotry, deliberate lies, fake Sword exposed.

Submitted by Sword of Truth (United States), Apr 11, 2006 at 12:17

The breakdown of Sword of Islam's debating skills, beliefs, Sword exposed:

Sword:
The only people whom Denmark needs to repair relations with are these backwards states but I think that she can quite easily live without them. When your biggest export is pork there are some markets that you don't need to worry about penetrating!

Answer: Arla Foods had issued an apology to Muslims worldwide as the company is based in the country where the newspaper is published. It has also pledged to disseminate awareness about Islam and make donations to charity groups.

Morteza read this before passing judgement on Sarah:

Sword:Gratitude for the fact that we FEED a substantial number of your fellow people and shelter them from you. Why else would tens of millions of people flee to the West?

Sword:I think you'll find that we'll see more 'ethnic cleansing" once things get too bad and possiblyan acceleration of invasions of Middle Eastern countries to stem the flow. Sooner rather than later I hope as it's next to impossible for you to participate in rational discussion rather than religious rhetoric.

JustMe and Danish/American, read this anti American statement by Sword – he has conflicting opinions throughout his posts:

Sword: Typical Yank. Fails to mention the British. Interesting to note that the Yanks have screwed up pretty much every military conflict that they've engaged in when we haven't been there to support you. Except Grenada. The U.S. killed more of our soldiers (and their own) through 'Friendly Fire' than they did Iraqi's. Interesting to note that the US had a much shorter war than everybody else. You only joined in once attacked at Pearl Harbour - not out of principle.

You've seen too many John Wayne movies. You'd be done in a heartbeat if the Chinese took you on.

More references to beggars:

Sword: However, it's reasonably safe to say that the Middle East will be empty soon anyway - you'll all be in Europe claiming welfare benefits.

Racial comments:
Sword: Funny how the number of people who have lived in the Middle East and 'loved it' is so low - too many Muslims, I guess.

Blantant lies and twisting of historical facts (what are your sources Sword? I'm interested to know where you got this ‘info'):
No co-incidence that Mohammad's death (poisoned by the wife of a murdered enemy - such nobility!) took place approximately 666 years after the birth of Christ. The bilblical 'number of the beast'!

More lies, anyone can get a copy of the Quran and go to this chapter – it does not say this:
Sword: [Surah 9:61] "Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you, his heart is more gross than a donkey's.'"
?!?!?!

More lies – shame on you Sword – people can easily check , this is not in the Quran:
004.094 "Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in the Cause of Allah, investigate carefully, and say not to any one who offers you peace: ‘You are not a believer,' seeking and coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil them). With Allah are abundant profits, plentiful spoils and booty Muslims, when you leave Arabia to fight and rob those who don't worship me, don't accept a peace offering and leave a potential victim alone. Rather, conquer them, for therein lies the greatest potential for profit. And always remember, you are a mercenary and that I have seduced you."

This is the proper verse (please not how many times God asks people to investigate first and never to pass judgement):
4:94
O you who believe! when you go to war in Allah's way, make investigation, and do not say to any one who offers you peace: You are not a believer. Do you seek goods of this world's life! But with Allah there are abundant gains; you too were such before, then Allah conferred a benefit on you; therefore make investigation; surely Allah is aware of what you do.

More racist slurs:
Sword: You must thank Allah every day that the Christians invented the motor car. If they didn't, you'd have no use for your oil and would be even poorer beggars than you already are!

Poor Pakistanis:
Pakistan? A backwards prairie dependent on Western Aid - the Muslim dream.

Kick them all out:

Sword:The state should buy their homes from them at market value, give them a free plane ticket (one-way) and send them home -

Downright rudeness, the editors of the board obviously had to omit some of the racist insults of this person (for want of a better word):

Sword: The way I see it, if a dog ...s on the carpet, the classic way to train him to stop doing is to rub his nose in it. If the ...followers of a ... Prophet who has given his followers nothing but death and poverty want to smash up our towns my lack of faith means that I am under no obligation to turn the other cheek....

According to your statement Sword, you should be grateful to Osama Ben Laden, afteral he helped the Americans, maybe he turned on you because you didn't show gratitude for services rendered. Muslims don't judge on color of skin tones don't assume that's why he changed his tactics (not all people think like you):

Sword: One regular mockery of the West (surprised you overlooked it) is the training of Bin Laden by the CIA to combat the Soviets and his subsequent shift of target to the very people who trained him. Apparently the West was at fault for helping the Mujahideen to kick the Russians out and not rebuilding the country afterwards. We train them, fund them to liberate their country from the Soviet Union and we're the villains! There's gratitude for you. Why? Probably the similarity in our skin tones...

This person ‘Sword of Islam' is a big believer of ethnic cleansing and genocide:
I would now like to take this opportunity to apologise to the people of the Balkans for allowing myself to have been fooled by the lies and propaganda of the Middle East. I am now convinced that the truth was the first casualty of war and that Milosevic simply had the misfortune to be the first European leader able to see the gathering storm.

Oh look, he's offering ultimatums to Muslims – thanks but we'll keep our values while living in your countries (grin):

Sword: Embrace our values or embrace Islamic values.

More racial slurs, hate, trying to humiliate others:
It is not the responsibility of the people of The Book to feed and clothe you. Yet they do this because you are unable to do it for yourselves - like the pets that they keep in a zoo. Why are then surprised when they leash you when you snap at them? Why do you then bleat like sheep and complain if they do not treat you as equals? Why should they, when you rely on them for your very survival?


Threats? Sword? Ever heard the saying ‘what comes around goes around'?:

Sword: You deserve all that you get. But if you don't like it ...

Not surprising this statement coming from a proponent of genocide and ethnic cleansing:
PLEASE keep barking. We can, and with your help will soon be willing, to wipe you out in a heartbeat and get back to eating our dinners later the same day.

Morteza, see who is calling Muslims beggars:

Sword: It is the collective guilt that the Liberal intelligensia bombarding us daily with this lie that makes us have to tolerate and feed you and your spawn and put up with the petty crime that surrounds us and the billions of tax dollars that we put in your begging bowls in the form of welfare and aid. All debts have been paid. 10 times over. You can leave now.

Apparently this person (Sword) has a PhD in Arabic grammar and history and so has drawn this conclusion:

Sword:The Qu'ran is clearly not divine - it is riddled with grammatical and historical errors.

How kind of you, don't be too worried about Muslims, Shia and Sunni will eventually wake up and unite to face the real enemy:

Sword: Right now, my main concern is the potential for conflict between the Sunni's and Shia's in Iraq. The people who are responsible for bombing the holy shrines of Muslims of both sects must have a very distorted vision of Islam if Mosques are not safe. That particular situation could get very nasty, very quickly. I think it safe to say that we can both agree on that particular point!

You should thank us then for helping you populate your countries, the Real Sword of Islam was right, your economies are doomed without us mad Muslims and Mexicans, which you admit to too:

Sword: Birthrates in Western Europe might as well be in single figures - there's no way to sustain our standard of living as the population ages without mass immigration.

Err – try saying that to yourself – you with your degrading and racist remarks:

Sword: Degradation is not liberation but an overwhelming percentage of our society seems unable to recognise this distinction.

Good for everyone in this world you're not president of any country then:

Sword: I was frankly amazed at the patience of George W. Bush when I saw those images. He receives a lot of criticism but if I were in his shoes and watching those images I would have NUKED the countries in concern. Immediately. No discussion.

Liar, you're attacking religion – all your remarks are Islam bashing, how then can you say ‘religion has nothing to do with it' liar liar pants on fire:

Sword: Religion has nothing to do with it. Simply corrupt governments, poor education and the manipulation of one group by the other to disguise the greater problems within their society and a means of preventing internal chaos rather than dealing with their problems head-on.

Enough with the beggar stories, they're becoming redundant:

Sword:perhaps you could explain why the Palestinians are dependent on 'hand-outs' from Europe and the U.S and why their Muslim brothers across the world are perfectly happy to blow each other up in their name, but especially reluctant to put their hands in the pocket and save them the indignity of having to receive dirty money from the People of the Book?

Start with yourself Sword, stop ‘sniping at Islam':

Sword: It's a cause of incredible frustration to see the constant sniping at religion and the creation of 'mountains out of molehills'. Why do people get so hung up on the details and avoid the real issues? Staggering.

As I recall a London mayor was forced to make apologies by Tony Blair because they were considered by some to be anti-Semitic, fair is fair?:

Sword: - That's rather a stupid point of view considering the reaction of Muslims to some CARTOONS! If a London mayor had made derogatory remarks about Islam our adults would be safe but our children would meet the same fate as those of Beslan. Best not to risk it!

Racist racist racist ‘we simply don't want you here' :

Sword: We simply don't want you here so if you can't run your own countries and make the conditions there such that an overwhelming percentage of your populations run away then we will be compelled to step in and do it for you. You will be pleased to note that Iraq and Afghanistan are no longer the largest immigrant groups to the UK - as they can no longer claim political asylum as the reason for emigrating.

Yes, blow us all up will you:

Sword: If we continue to challenge radical Islamists it is logical to conclude that they will eventually either a) all blow themselves up or b) blow each other up. Although I think we could speed matters up a bit by stopping the steady stream of aid that these nations bleed from us....

Here we go again with his beggar theory, no wonder Sarah had to respond sarcastically:

Sword: People with this mentality simply don't understand that until such time as their millions stop fleeing to the West with their begging bowls we HAVE to intervene in such situations. We can't feed them all so we have to try and ensure that at some point further down the line they can feed themselves and each other. So we intervene - sometimes for the worse, sometimes for the better.

Catch up with what? Kill Muslims? Sword? Are you inciting a Christian crusade here? And ‘us' who exactly? Aren't you the one who (conveniently) has no religions affiliations as you so often say?:

Sword: That's an EXCELLENT point. Using the analogy of Iraq as a football field let's check the latest score (updated to include those Muslims killed during Saddam's rule)
Muslims: 1 000 000 +
Christians: 32 396
Looks like we've got a lot of catching up to do!

Then you should say thank you to the Mujahedeen, I've never seen such ingratitude!:

Sword: The CIA also supported the Mujahadeen and it is unlikely that the Russians could have been removed with such assistance.

Again, I bet everyone is glad you're not in any government, you'd be a second Hitler:
Diplomacy should always be the first port of call but it is quite clear that in a situation where one party is attempting to negotiate and the other, whether guided by ignorance or outright deceit, is only ever going to obfuscate then military action is the only intelligent course of action.

Making fun of people who believe in peace:

Sword: Given the fact that most of our immigrants tend to settle in London it should hardly be surprising in a reasonably wealthy country that a large chunk of it's population should want 'peace and love' especially when most of them are middle-class students who think it fashionable to support such causes or middle-aged failed hippies from the Sixties.


What difference does it make to you if the Holy Trinity is fact or fiction? Aren't you without religious beliefs?: Of course you should advise anyone not to ‘get sucked into a debate' on this issue, it has no explanation, it was invented by Athanasius the bishop who formulated this doctrine, and who confessed that the more he wrote on the matter, the less capable he was of clearly expressing his thoughts regarding it:

Sword: But don't get sucked into a debate on the Holy Trinity. It's too difficult to explain in this kind of environment and they seem to believe that our God is limited by the laws of physics. If the interest was sincere why wouldn't they Google it?

There you go calling people who you don't like names, racist:

Sword:but maybe it's simply because they're (he's calling all Muslims) all stupid?

Self deprecate yourself first, we're a proud people contrary to what you'd like to believe:

Sword: Unfortunately, Muslims are not generally noted for their ability to self-deprecate themselves which suggests a deep-rooted sense of either inferiority or a persecution complex. This goes some way toward explaining why they have always been regarded as the least popular social group in this country.

More racism? This time against African Americans, gosh Sword, how racist can a person be?:

Sword: Perhaps you could tell her about the no-go areas certain parts of the UK dominated by Muslim youths with no culture of their own other than the imitation of African-American rappers and how they are generally regarded as a joke. Whereas an African-American rapper has a certain intimidating quality the best that these cheap imitations can do is inspire a giggle

But you admitted elsewhere you can't survive without immigrants! Make up your mind, do you want immigrants or not?:

Sword: No rational country would attack another country for the sake of liberating a bunch of Muslims? Of course they wouldn't! I quite agree. I can't speak for the US but as far as UK policy is concerned the largest immigrant groups to this country for a number of years have been from Iraq, Afghanistan & Iran (notice a pattern here?). We really couldn't care less about what you do to each other but unfortunately the UN makes it compulsory to accept the applications of political refugees who flee here from countries in the Middle East. By removing Saddam we have removed any justification that economic migrants from Iraq might have in coming here and using 'political asylum' as an excuse to guarantee citizenship.

Defender of ethnic cleansing again. Boy am I glad you're not in power:

Sword:Ethnic cleansing? I don't see much in the way of alternatives so 'yes' I guess must be a skinhead.

Hmm, I think this statement of yours has been blown to smithereens by my post, you contradict yourself all the time:

Sword: Contradicting myself? Find one example of the above to substantiate your claims. Just one please. ..

There are NO MOSQUES IN DENMARK, stop lying!:

Sword: All the Muslims have to do is BUILD it themselves rather than depend on the Danish state to fill their begging bowls with their charity to build a glorious monument.

Stop lying!:

Sword: There are actually plenty of mosques in Denmark. If you Google the subject you'll find that estimates vary between 120 and 200 across the country. There are no 'purpose-built' mosques (for the reasons that you specify) but that's another thing entirely.

So you believe Jesus is God or godlike, why do you keep telling us you don't follow any religion and you're not Christian? The belief that Jesus is not a simple man is the basis of Christianity, so please make up your mind, what are you exactly?:

Sword: How can Jesus return if he is simply a man? A 2000 year old man? How can a 2000 year old with no history of violence defeat the armies of the Anti-Christ? Why not send Mohammad? Or the Angel Gabriel? Or God himself?

I'm again curious as to your sources? I live in the Middle East and never saw a copy of Mein Kampf in any bookstore, where do you get this ‘info'?:

Sword: 'Hitler's notorious book, Mein Kampf, is required reading at Egypt's Military Academy. After the Koran, Mein Kampf is the second best-selling book in the Arab world. The Saudi terrorist regime spends millions of dollars each year reproducing Mein Kampf in numerous languages and distributing it throughout Islamic nations.'

Err, read first then come discuss your opinions (but then as the saying goes, ‘everyone has one'):

Sword: Or are you under the impression that Adolf Hitler was motivated by Christian zeal in his actions?

answer:

Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country.

Although Hitler did not attend church regularly and later criticized the Church for their rejection of his reformation of a unified German Church, at no time did Hitler criticize God or Jesus. He always maintained an honor and belief in Jesus. This alone put him as a Christian believer. But Hitler went beyond just belief in Jesus; he devoted his entire political life to deeds aimed at creating a race of people in the pure image of God.


Hitler's speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism presents an embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of faith. The following words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveals the strength of his Christian feelings:


'My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited'
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech on 12 April 1922


'The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were".... I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.'
-Adolf Hitler, 26 April 1933


In the 1930s, as the Catholic leaders listened to Hitler's rhetoric against the Jews during his appeal for power, his speeches condemning Jews only correlated with the Church's own long history of Jewish hatred. Indeed, in Hitler's meeting with Bishop Berning and Monsignor Steinmann on April 26, 1933, Hilter reminded his Catholic guests that the Church, for 1,500 years had regarded the Jews as parasites, had banished them into ghettos, and had forbidden Christians to work for them. Hitler said he merely intended to do more effectively what the Church had attempted to accomplish for so long.

In 1941 Croat Fascists declared an independent Croatia. Italy and Hungary (also a fascist state) joined forces with Hitler for a share of Yugoslavia. Hitler had issued his plan for a partitioned Yugoslavia, granting "Aryan" status to an independent Croatia under the Catholic Ante Pavelic. This resulted in a campaign of terror and extermination conducted by the Ustashe of Croatia against two million Serbs, Jews, Gypsies, and Communists between 1941 and 1945 (Note that the Croats were Roman Catholics, the Serbs were Orthodox Christians). According to Cornwell, "Pavelic's onslaught against the Orthodox Serbs remains one of the most appalling civilian massacres known to history."

From the outset, Pope Pius XII and the Vatican knew of the racist and anti-Semitic statements made by the Croats even as the Pope met with Pavelic and bestowed his papal blessing. Not only did the Croatian Catholic clergy know the details of the massacre of the Serbs and the virtual elimination of the Jews and Gypsies but many of the priests took a leading role! Monks and priests worked as executioners in hastily set up concentration camps where they massacred Serbs. These killings had gotten so brutal that even the Nazis protested against them. By the most reliable reckoning, the Catholic fascists massacred 487,000 Orthodox Serbs and 27,000 Gypsies between 1941 and 1945 in the independent State of Croatia. In addition, approximately 30,000 of the 45,000 Jews died in the slaughter.

At no time did the Vatican make an attempt to halt the forced conversions, appropriation of Orthodox property, or the mass killings. Croat priests had not only sympathized with the fascist massacres but took part in them. According to Cornwell, "Priests, invariably Franciscans, took a leading part in the massacres. Many went around routinely armed and performed their murderous acts with zeal. A father Bozidar Bralow, known for the machine gun that was his constant companion, was accused of performing a dance around the bodies of 180 massacred Serbs at Alipasin-Most." Individual Franciscans killed, set fire to homes, sacked villages, and laid waste the Bosnian countryside at the head of Ustashe bands. In September of 1941, an Italian reporter wrote of a Franciscan he had witnessed south of Banja Luka urging on a band of Ustashe with his crucifix." In the Foreign Ministry archive in Rome there sits a photographic record of atrocities: of women with breasts cut off, gouged eyes, genitals mutilated; and the instruments of butchery: knives, axes, meat hooks. [Cornwell, pp. 253-254] Not only priests, but nuns also sympathized to the movement. Nuns marched in military parades behind soldiers with their arms raised in the fascist salute.

Such a racist! Reminds me of the Berlin wall people:

Sword: I'm amazed that the US hasn't diverted just some of the billions that it spends on the military to building the 'mother of all walls' to preserve the integrity of her borders.

You my friend are the treacherous one – you say you're not Christian but then you defend it and seem to embrace its ideals, you make fun of the ‘bloody Yanks' then you bless them, you use a deceitful and misleading nickname which you hide behind . Who is the treacherous one here? Who has no beliefs or ideals – you my friend are a chameleon, you change your colors to suit your mood of the day:

Sword: Yes, Sarah's treachery is despicable. She is the only person who has specifically referred to the victims of the Iranian earthquake as 'beggars'. The above statement is quite obviously yet another lie.


Muslim countries sent aid to victims of Katrina (while the US government was too busy to help its own):

Sword: Given the recent arguments re Iran's nuclear program and their childish attitude re the cartoon controversy can anybody explain to me why we are sending them aid in the aftermath of last week's earthquakes?

Iran offered to send oil as aid to Katrina victims.
Kuwait sent millions of dollars in aid to Katrina victims
Egypt sent aid to Katrina victims. On behalf of President Bush and the American people, Ambassador Ricciardone expresses his gratitude to the Government of Egypt for its assistance to the victims of Hurricane Katrina, which is being provided under the auspices of the Ministry of Defense. Ambassador Ricciardone wishes to affirm the United States� deep appreciation for the kindness and compassion that Egypt has shown in response to the devastation and dislocation of people in the southeastern United States. This donation is, moreover, a tangible demonstration of the close friendship between our two countries that will long be remembered. Today, the first of these deliveries will leave Cairo on two Egyptian Air Force C-130 transport planes, carrying blankets, water, medical supplies, food, and clothes. Today, Chief of the Office of Military Cooperation at the American Embassy, Major General Byron S. Bagby, will also personally deliver words of thanks to Major General Fouad Abdul Halim, Advisor to the Minister of Defense, at a small ceremony at the Cairo-East military airport, the site of the airlift efforts.

Afghanistan gives aid to the US: Days after the roar of Hurricane Katrina, President Hamid Karzai's administration pledged $100,000 to its victims. According to Pajhwok Afghan News, Mohammad Karim Rahimi, President Karzai's spokesman said "the gesture of the Afghan government was aimed at showing solidarity with those affected by the hurricane."

What kind of warped and sick reasoning is this?? Thousands of people (men, women and children) died horrible deaths because of the US atomic bombing of Japan - they still have cancers as a result of this atrocity - how in the world can anyone justify this?!

Submitted by j davies, Apr 6, 2006 at 11:26
We're the only country in the world that used the atom bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and killed thousands and thousands of innocent lives

J Davies was simply expressing his disgust at these double standards, but you couldn't let him express his opinion, could you?

Your reply Sword:
Sword: - Which in turn forced Japan's surrender and resulted in considerably fewer casualties than would have been the case had a ground invasion of Japan been necessary.

Racist:

Sword: Hopefully the glorious Crusade will continue until such a time as the occupants of these country no longer suffer the oppression that forces them to flee their oppression & burden our social welfare and international aid systems so prodigiously. God bless America!
Fundie talk Sword of HATE.

So anyone can see all your attempts at debate are either lies, distortions of truths, your own (sometimes very sick ) opinions, your arguments hold no water. Racist comments and insults do not make for good debating skills and anyone reading your posts won't be very impressed with your ideas. I would have included a similar post for your alter ego JustMe but since you seem to be one and the same I guess all my comments are equally applicable to the both of you (clear evidence of this fact is that both of you seem to be especially fond of falsely attributing Tabari as Quran, please see Sword and JustMe's Tabari quotations - they are copied and pasted from the same source). I am very happy that your ideas do not represent the majority of people in the West.

I wish you a Good day! Mine certainly is. GRIN

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