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The Greater Evil for the World is that Too Few Seek for Its Peace

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in response to reader comment: What is a greater evil for the world - the US-jihadist coalition or the Russian naval base in Tartus ?

Submitted by M. Tovey (United States), Jul 18, 2012 at 19:21

To be sure, the times for euphemistic speculations are at an impasse; since arguments for the sake of rhetorical explorations are patronizing at a minimum in the wake of the reality of lives in jeopardy and risk of loss of more lives. People, indeed entire groups, are being decimated for the sake of political argument and dominance and the words just seem to fall to the ground for failure to penetrate into the hearts of the antagonists.

As for the blunt question(s): what do I prefer?

Very few would give ear to my preferences; for my tolerance of blatant aggression at the hands of any aggressor is nil, no matter whose flag, either the Russian tri-color (a distant cousin to its predecessor, the red hammer and sickle), the flag(s) of the Islamic Revolution (in the variant forms of green and black and red, and yellow); and if it came down to it and we find that the presence of the American forces are detrimental to the peace of the region, then add that.

The Russian presence in Tartus presents a situation that not too many understand. Are we to conclude that the interests of the Russian military is enough of a deterrent that none would dare to involve themselves in an encounter with the Russian navy or marines; or does the stated intentions of the Russian interests to defend Syria against aggression seem insignificant while the country implodes into civil war. My preference is to allow the Syrian crisis work itself out without outside interference, even that of the Russians. Otherwise, the question must be asked: what price peace? This is difficult to answer because no one, not even the American Secretary of State, knows how to achieve that there. Russia would love stability for their own purposes, but seem stifled for the moment. Turkey is even more clueless.

As for the jihadists that are imbedded and embroiled in this latest iteration of the 'Arab Uprising,' their agenda is plain; and it seems unstoppable on several levels. They aim to take control – at any cost. Can the Russians stop it? Look at Afghanistan in the 80's and ask the question again.

Your contention that state sponsored terrorism is somehow easily laid at the base of covert operations of the American sort – and there may be something to that –but they are not alone. Definitively, the change in the American Administrative Executive's attitude since the change occurred in 2009 has lent itself to certain speculations of expectations and the antics of the American Secretary of State has done nothing to allay them; but if that were true, then the outcome should have produced better results if democracy were the motive.

I have no known or speculative reason for the Russians being directly involved in Libya's demise; their interests there seemed limited to political observations. Kosovo on the other hand bears another look, if for no other reason than the peripheral association of the neighboring Slavic connections. I was not as keenly active in those circumstances in those days; except that to note that a Clinton is still involved in such things. You may draw your own conclusions on that one.

Let us revisit the first blunt question: do I prefer a Russian Naval base in Tartus? Considering that shortly the question will become academic, I have previously asserted that the Russians do not employ military force except, like emergency signs that say here in America –"in an emergency, break glass." Their emergency is about to break open because the glass is being shattered all over the place and I cannot see how they will not be compelled to respond. But, that would not have been my preference; my preference being that of seeking peace at equity for all concerned.

Instead, all we see in what is going on is the race for dominance in the human race and history shows that never turns out well - now does it?


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Turkey & Islam [9 words]
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theantislamistOct 15, 2012 16:23199841
Sep. 29 fakes part of psychological war [101 words]
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Syrian ObserverSep 29, 2012 17:54199286
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2Don't fear, grey wolf! Your American masters will fit sharp false teeth ... [36 words]IanusJul 3, 2012 12:02196892
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1Turkish in confused condition? [368 words]AngelJul 11, 2012 17:13196892
Turkey Clear Message [115 words]AngelJul 11, 2012 18:08196892
1America's - not Turkey's - message! [252 words]IanusJul 15, 2012 17:50196892
Ianus's Syrianesque Response [44 words]M. ToveyJul 16, 2012 16:00196892
1What is a greater evil for the world - the US-jihadist coalition or the Russian naval base in Tartus ? [148 words]IanusJul 17, 2012 04:20196892
The Greater Evil for the World is that Too Few Seek for Its Peace [660 words]M. ToveyJul 18, 2012 19:21196892
3The Greater Evil for the World is the US-jihadis coalition then, isn't it? [1768 words]IanusJul 23, 2012 09:12196892
A US Led Coalition Will Be the Least of the World's Problems [154 words]M. ToveyJul 24, 2012 19:27196892
1The CIA - a charity organization [345 words]IanusJul 24, 2012 23:34196892
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2ı dont understand [311 words]
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1A risk worth taking? No. [24 words]Lily FlacksJun 28, 2012 00:02196774
2For Qatar and Saudi Arabia [41 words]IanusJun 29, 2012 17:50196774
Surprised its taken this long [256 words]David DJun 27, 2012 18:58196766
1How many new Bin Ladens are being made in Syria now ? [859 words]IanusJun 28, 2012 12:38196766
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5Assad is a lesser evil [673 words]IanusJun 29, 2012 17:46196766
1Which one does pose a greater danger? [275 words]AishaJul 2, 2012 05:32196766
only fools rush in to be used by Islam purpose [70 words]Don MarshJun 27, 2012 18:52196765
exposing weakness [146 words]mythJun 27, 2012 08:32196748
turkey not so powerful [150 words]havasJun 26, 2012 15:06196713
1Erdogan's days are counted. He has got cancer. [178 words]IanusJun 26, 2012 19:18196713
2Turkey's Continuing Dilemma - Getting No Respect - Internally or Externally [326 words]M. ToveyJun 26, 2012 19:28196713
4Havas, restore the "TurkoArab islamic honor" [51 words]NikosJun 27, 2012 02:38196713
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between the lines [58 words]DavidJun 26, 2012 04:10196692
4Why I Back Assad [73 words]DaveJun 25, 2012 19:54196683
1Not likely [297 words]Oz DJun 26, 2012 22:27196683
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2Turkey will get this one right. [135 words]NazimJun 25, 2012 10:31196667
8Turkey is West? Since When? [481 words]AlexandrosJun 26, 2012 08:16196667
3Two hideous alternatives ? [484 words]
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1Don't forget Iran [119 words]
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Lars NielsenJun 25, 2012 07:53196663
4Just another personal view [282 words]AlbertJun 25, 2012 06:41196661
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Partition Syria (and Lebanon) [151 words]jgetsJun 24, 2012 16:25196648
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Population Exchanges [194 words]jgetsJun 27, 2012 03:22196648
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2Violance is not an Islamic monopoly [133 words]mozereJun 26, 2012 06:19196644
2This guy has a point [156 words]DavidJun 27, 2012 23:45196644
1Thoughts on the Syrian downing of a Turkish war plane [64 words]JudithJun 24, 2012 11:46196637
2Luckily this one's easy: The pact can ony be invoked for acts of aggression against a member state. [66 words]Abu NudnikJun 24, 2012 09:59196632
Turkey afraid of Syra's alies [95 words]HenkJun 24, 2012 09:57196630
5OK! War -- and then what? [115 words]PantelisJun 25, 2012 08:57196630
3A coward's grand design [140 words]Nelson D'SilvaJun 24, 2012 07:43196627
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1Israel's Strange Dilemma [68 words]Martin KaufmanJun 23, 2012 16:40196598
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2NATO [137 words]William MallinsonJun 23, 2012 16:36196597
1It's in your head [10 words]Abu NudnikJun 24, 2012 09:57196597
2both sides [12 words]mikeTJun 23, 2012 16:27196596
5Good news from Turkey at last ! [295 words]IanusJun 23, 2012 15:51196594
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1Kemal's shahids and gazis [877 words]IanusJul 1, 2012 05:55196594
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Turkey relations with neighbours. [51 words]Walther MetzlerJun 23, 2012 15:09196589
1What Turkey Wants, Turkey Gets [88 words]BeatrixJun 23, 2012 14:47196586
2Not Turkey, the Turkish lobby in America ! [172 words]IanusJun 23, 2012 20:13196586
2I was hoping you'd say that! [37 words]Leon KushnerJun 23, 2012 14:39196584
4An endless list of Turkish defeats, retreats, capitulations, flights and withdrawals [179 words]IanusJun 23, 2012 19:53196584
1Greek,Israeli bias [103 words]Ameer RaschidTurkeyJun 24, 2012 01:42196584
2Turkish victories post 1700 [136 words]MozereJun 26, 2012 09:23196584
2"It is evident that countries not governed by the laws of the Sheriat cannot survive." [402 words]IanusJun 26, 2012 18:57196584
4Turkish "victories" [526 words]IanusJun 27, 2012 06:57196584

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