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Submitted by M. Tovey (United States), Apr 11, 2011 at 13:57

And all the while, the subliminal extremist mentality still pervades. Many arguments, some with sense, others with influences of certain ideologies that are held to (including this one), try so hard to give justification for the actions and reactions of the upholder of the Holy Bible and the followers of the Quran. In these recent instances, there is no real justification, either for the burning or the deaths. If that is the case, then why the incendiary actions on both sides: other than the obvious?

Darker powers seem to be at work here. If a person that supposedly is minister of the Gospel (if Pastor Jones does claim to be, his witness is now suspect), then are we to expect that all of Christianity is justified in reigniting the fires of the crusades and expunge the influences of Islam from not only the United States, but of the world? Read the Holy Bible, folks: it is not expected to happen that way. Burning a Quran does nothing more than service the darker powers, to incite more hatred, the fuel of the emotions we are seeing today. The Islamists relish that; they live for it; they make homicide bomber elegies for it; they die for it.

Others in this post make Biblically supported appeals for the love of Jesus Christ to be expressed in each reaction; that the intended purpose for everyone who claims Jesus Christ as LORD is to witness that love in the faith and trust placed in the name of Jesus Christ. You will never get that from Islam, nor from a fundamentalist Muslim, as many of the Muslim belief system have attested here.

Burning a Quran achieves nothing in the way of a political statement either, except that the government that cannot provide support for its intrinsic belief system will not support the actions of conscience of its citizens, for that requires the conscience to be intact. America's national government conscience has been seared for quite some time. What was achieved? We'll come back to that later.

While there is the argument that burning in effigy any article or emblem of a person's discontent is purportedly protected under the Constitutional auspices of American citizenship, it is not necessarily expedient to make such an expression public unless one is ready to take responsibility for that action on themselves, and not expect others to bear the brunt of the consequences. Only One could make that sacrifice, Jesus Christ taking the sins of mankind upon Himself and going to the death on the cross in the place of each of us.

In other countries, no such constitutional protective clauses as Americans have exist. In varying places, retributions in official and nonofficial capacities are extant, from treatment in cases of minor infractions to the ultimate payment, death. In America, such is considered barbaric, yet we Americans are spoiled; that so far, while the Holy Bible has been denigrated to second class status in American politics, no one has yet been put to death for upholding its principles. For crying out loud, Holy Bibles have been burned here in America, but who remembers the outcry the last time it happened? It is hard to remember, for no one that I have heard of died in another country for the action.

Now here is the distinction to be made. Burning the Holy Bible does not invalidate the WORD of the LORD, for the LORD has been its Author and Protector over the centuries and millennia. Almighty God does not need humans to protect His WORD; He is more than capable to keep its precepts alive over the times and tides of history by the power of His Holy Spirit. In contrast, Islamists feel the need to protect the Quran by bringing the message of death to all who desecrate their tenets of belief. One has to wonder why?

So what was achieved? Did anyone come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ on account of the ashes of a Quran? Since it is Biblically correct to understand the Holy Spirit is present at any conversion and rebirth of a new believer and that was not the point of burning the Quran, then all that was achieved in its burning was an increase in the animosity against Christianity for an act that did not have the righteousness or commandment of Jesus Christ in sight. Was that really what the Pastor from Florida really wanted?


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No sense in provocation [42 words]Phil GhidinelliMay 11, 2012 15:27195557
4islamic countries destroy many Christian Bibles and Jewish Torahs. [118 words]Phil GreendJan 30, 2012 18:16192908
1No Islamist will respond to this comment. [50 words]PrashantJan 31, 2012 02:19192908
1Which translation [17 words]Mark S. YaegelApr 23, 2011 19:51184527
2The Qur'an and translations of the Qur'an are not really the Qur'an and who says that islam is not the religion of the Arabs only [130 words]dhimmi no moreApr 24, 2011 15:36184527
Blame Or No Blame, The Answer Is Stll...... [21 words]Clifford IshiiApr 20, 2011 00:12184435
A god-send for the pc anti-Christian propaganda. [171 words]Gordon WeareApr 18, 2011 06:06184393
God sent [225 words]janApr 21, 2011 14:53184393
More anti-Christian (In wholesale form) from a pc-coward - who gives no name. [188 words]Gordon WeareApr 21, 2011 20:01184393
The pure cowardice of the ever omniscient, politically-correct hippy offspring. [134 words]Gordon WeareApr 22, 2011 01:09184393
The opposition of USA may be ok but why are Pakistanis killing each other [157 words]PrashantApr 22, 2011 04:47184393
Spot On [12 words]Tom DundeeApr 23, 2011 15:43184393
"Bri-tupidity" Makes Londonistan a Possibility [425 words]Nur el Masih Ben HaqApr 23, 2011 19:35184393
moslems killing moslems in bulk - [10 words]Gordon WeareApr 24, 2011 04:32184393
THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING ! [129 words]Gordon WeareApr 25, 2011 23:54184393
2The enemy within! [77 words]dhimmi no moreApr 26, 2011 08:38184393
3Thanks Daniel Pipes [80 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
M from North EUApr 17, 2011 06:24184359
Agreed. [72 words]AmerisraelApr 14, 2011 19:35184259
8Guilty are the ones who kill and kill and kill [204 words]M from North EUApr 13, 2011 11:39184224
Time to reap, my dear Pakistani brother, what you sowed, Now recover damages from Pakistan [307 words]Ravi Ranjan Singh Bharat PanthiMay 4, 2011 13:28184224
1I'm not a Pakistani brother ... [214 words]M from North EUMay 5, 2011 05:21184224
Sorry Dear [11 words]Ravi Ranjan Singh Bharat PanthiMay 6, 2011 00:20184224
1Thank you Sir [28 words]M from North EUMay 8, 2011 05:53184224
1Burn, Baby, Burn! [433 words]julietsmApr 12, 2011 23:09184207
1By Comparison.... [127 words]terence hoareApr 12, 2011 23:01184206
4"NEW" threat levels raised for troops? [462 words]MosheApr 12, 2011 09:49184175
7We can only blame Islam and the Mullahs [101 words]dhimmi no moreApr 12, 2011 06:41184172
6Tit for tat-- [159 words]Muslimk***Apr 12, 2011 03:09184170
Who's to blame? [87 words]David B. KleinApr 11, 2011 23:02184160
1Critiquing Islam and not Islamism! [102 words]JaladhiApr 11, 2011 11:34184144
6They kill Christian converts and behead Jews and burn our flags [112 words]M from North EUApr 10, 2011 12:25184125
4Book Burning. [203 words]Philip SmeetonApr 10, 2011 09:14184122
1Who is to be blamed, Pastor Terry Jones or somebody else? [54 words]PaladionApr 9, 2011 20:22184115
Is Pastor is responsible? [96 words]Ravi Ranjan Singh Bharat PanthiMay 8, 2011 05:37184115
1Then, who is to be blamed? [30 words]PALADIONApr 9, 2011 19:31184114
American exceptionalism [100 words]Abraham IrwinApr 9, 2011 18:28184112
2Terry Jones was within his right to burn a Koran [244 words]there is NO Santa ClausApr 9, 2011 17:31184109
We should listen to Dan Pipes. [63 words]Ben ZeeApr 9, 2011 12:46184103
1We're In Trouble [91 words]Jules PostenApr 8, 2011 13:18184079
1Jones has right to burn Koran, but he should know there are severe consequences! [32 words]Ben ZeeApr 9, 2011 12:40184079
We're In Trouble (continued) [163 words]Jules PostenApr 11, 2011 14:01184079
13double standards in the media [245 words]Dr. David CashinApr 8, 2011 06:48184066
2"Double Standards in the Media" may be due to journalists selfishness [289 words]PrashantApr 24, 2011 16:34184066
The blame lies with neither [9 words]KevinApr 8, 2011 06:04184064
Jesus [3 words]QhaweApr 8, 2011 06:02184063
Love is not a law [214 words]AnnaApr 11, 2011 09:20184063
for freedom [157 words]concernedApr 8, 2011 05:22184060
1Burn! [486 words]Fred BaehrApr 8, 2011 05:13184059
3MUSLIMS HAD BURNED SEVERAL COPIES OF THE BIBLE WITH IMPUNITY [756 words]Nur el Masih Ben HaqApr 8, 2011 04:25184056
3I am burning the Koran with Pastor Jones! [358 words]NuritGApr 8, 2011 02:22184054
action of rev. jones [196 words]R. ChakravartiJul 26, 2012 12:23184054
A matter of choice [54 words]ArthuraApr 8, 2011 01:27184052
1Quran-Koran burning [67 words]peter knopflerApr 8, 2011 00:00184050
Yes, Pastor Terry Jones is Responsible!! [135 words]William ArulApr 7, 2011 23:16184048
Constitution of the United States [269 words]Arlinda DeAngelisApr 23, 2011 08:46184048
2The short answer is no. [207 words]batya daganApr 7, 2011 18:57184041
1Who is to blame? [105 words]Rude WakenApr 7, 2011 17:37184040
8Should We Blame The Florida Pastor...? [188 words]SailaApr 7, 2011 17:25184038
1We need to see the bigger picture [81 words]Frank LukeApr 7, 2011 20:50184038
Pastor's comments [15 words]Bo CarlApr 7, 2011 23:42184038
Being right and doing wrong. [339 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 11, 2011 09:08184038
Sharia [40 words]AnnaApr 11, 2011 09:29184038
We are answerable to our Creator [135 words]Frank LukeApr 12, 2011 10:27184038
Details in the Big Picture [172 words]Fred BaehrApr 12, 2011 12:33184038
God will judge all of us [115 words]Frank LukeApr 12, 2011 18:49184038
5Answer Me this One [7 words]Bob P.Apr 7, 2011 17:17184037
6The problem are the islamoracists !!!!!!!! [54 words]Don RosenbergApr 7, 2011 17:08184036
4Animal world is much more civilized!! [65 words]JaladhiApr 8, 2011 09:17184036
1ANIMALS ARE BEAUTIFUL [259 words]Ilene RichmanApr 8, 2011 09:31184036
6Freedom of expression in Koran burning [224 words]Bob JackApr 7, 2011 16:36184033
So how about it Bob? [244 words]Fred BaehrApr 12, 2011 13:03184033
Koran burning etc. [82 words]Bob JackApr 12, 2011 17:46184033
1Just one correction to Bob's letter [73 words]PrashantApr 13, 2011 02:16184033
Back to Bob [134 words]Fred BaehrApr 14, 2011 14:50184033
Free Expression [22 words]Bob JackApr 14, 2011 15:49184033
1Koran burning and the role of Congress [220 words]Bob JackApr 7, 2011 16:31184032
The Koran burning and the protection of American values [218 words]Bob JackApr 7, 2011 16:24184031
The killer is the first to blame of course [146 words]Hanan AtalayApr 7, 2011 15:58184029
should we blame a Florida pastor Deaths in Afghanistan ? [78 words]ChandihokApr 7, 2011 14:47184027
Video > Ann Barnhardt rebuts Lindsey Graham's remarks on 4/3/2011 regarding the First Amendment. Part 1 of 2. [17 words]Rochelle MichaelsApr 7, 2011 14:32184026
Goverrnment Leadership Vacumm [46 words]Bob FoxApr 7, 2011 14:00184025
2burning a book vs murder [40 words]Jules PostenApr 7, 2011 13:38184024
Should We Blame a Florida Pastor for Deaths in Afghanistan? [92 words]julius klaymanApr 7, 2011 13:20184022
Should We Blame A Florida Pastor for Deaths in Afghanistan? [38 words]SandraApr 7, 2011 13:07184021
3Couldn't agree more Daniel [70 words]WilksApr 7, 2011 12:32184018
First Draft Card Burning, Then American Flag Burning and Now the Koran [164 words]Mark PrestonApr 7, 2011 12:22184015
1Afghanistan--successful resistance agsint civilization again [241 words]KephaApr 8, 2011 15:08184015
2Re: Burning the Koran [168 words]Dennis Garwitz Sr.Apr 7, 2011 12:19184014
1Re: It is ".. the repugnant, barbaric ideology of Islamism [which] ...is to blame." [489 words]marianaApr 7, 2011 12:16184013
1ISLAM IS A "SECT", NOT A RELIGION [287 words]Ilene RichmanApr 7, 2011 11:53184012
1So Open-minded; the moral eqivalence is brilliant. How any Beheadings and Honour Killings can you attribute to Jeffs? [145 words]marianaApr 8, 2011 12:17184012
1First Amendment? [70 words]David KoralApr 7, 2011 11:48184011
1Biblical scripture does not support Mr. Jones, and His actions... [243 words]James flemingApr 7, 2011 11:32184009
2what does it tell you? [129 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 8, 2011 07:22184009
And our Leaders failed us [275 words]Peter J. HerzApr 8, 2011 14:58184009
2For something bad to happen it requires a root cause and a trigger [873 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 9, 2011 14:14184009
3no good reason [228 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 11, 2011 06:52184009
Cause and Effect - Darkness Cannot Produce Light - [740 words]M. ToveyApr 11, 2011 13:57184009
1GIK - For once there are strightforward answers to your questions - rare indeed [720 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 12, 2011 10:21184009
If you assert that muslims, and the rioters in particular, are children, then you could say Jones has responsibility. [54 words]MarkApr 7, 2011 11:19184007
1We hold these truths... [107 words]Tom from ChicagoApr 7, 2011 11:16184006
4If Jones is responsible, Muslims have no will, no responsibility, no humanity [94 words]Abu NudnikApr 7, 2011 11:03184005
Abu Nudnik, please explain: (1) insha'Allah; (2) self-autonomy of a Muslim [34 words]RhetoricalGirlApr 7, 2011 22:43184005
If Jones is resonsible then muslims have no free will [6 words]JulieApr 8, 2011 01:32184005
totalitarian ideology [153 words]AnnaApr 11, 2011 09:37184005
Response to Abu Nudnik was an effort to illustrate the fallacy of his comment ... [27 words]RhetoricalGirlApr 11, 2011 23:34184005
Don't know what you mean [75 words]Abu NudnikApr 30, 2011 13:59184005
Not a successful rebuttal [62 words]Abu NudnikApr 30, 2011 14:02184005
All things are not expedient [125 words]Frank LukeApr 7, 2011 10:54184004
Great Article [156 words]Carol H.Apr 7, 2011 09:57183995
Legal expression vs. murder [57 words]Carol WallworkApr 7, 2011 09:55183994
2a Barbaric religion [231 words]trainman6Apr 7, 2011 09:47183993
It's Not "Just" to Be Killed Like This [153 words]Joe SpivackApr 7, 2011 09:23183992
Who's to blame? [81 words]Sunshine SammyApr 7, 2011 09:17183991
Go back to your roots. And stay therel. [15 words]RebeccaApr 7, 2011 08:06183990
2Muslim killings after Koran burning [77 words]leejhApr 7, 2011 22:49183990

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