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Submitted by Michel C. Zala (Switzerland), Apr 9, 2011 at 14:14

Either one on itself is not sufficient to explain the deaths, the misery of the families and the general uproar in the media.

Answering the question, as to who is responsible for it, I hate to be the bringer of bad news and likely become unpopular here in this forum, but Jones must be blamed equally to those fanatics, who did the actual killing, as he willingly and fully aware of possible consequences of his actions, threw a match into an open gasoline pool, utterly neglecting innocent victims resulting from his moronic, self-centered and narcicistic behaviour.

I mentioned in many of my posts ( reg. Assange, Mosque in NY etc.), how our dear freedoms and civil liberties are in the process of being perverted.

Just because the law is on my side, does not relieve me of my own individual responsibility to exercise my rights considerately, responsibly and overall in a manner not harmful to others.

Just because the constitution grants me Freedom Of Speech, does not make it right to verbally assault someone, slander, insult, offend or harm another person.

Just because they have the legal right to build a mosque near ground zero, does not mean that they should build it there, but exercise restraint, consideration and empathy with the victims of 9/11, killed in the name of Allah.

Just because we know Freedom of Religion, does not mean that Islam all of a sudden should claim equality in traditionially judeo-christian western nations. It means that muslims have a right to freely practise their religion privately, while having to compromise in a secular environment and adapt to their host nation's traditions and culture (if they want to pursue happiness and priosperity there).

But the sword definitely cuts both ways. I myself experienced the walk of shame of going to a planned parenthood facility once to lend my partner moral support during one of her most painful decisions, ending a pregnancy. Without knowing the pain and hurt we went through, coming to that most excruciating decision, we found ourself that morning attacked, assaulted, insulted, yelled at, cursed at by a mob, exercising Freedom of Speech (ironically most of those people called themselves Christians, quoting the scripture).

Was that really, what our Founding Fathers intended, when designing this beautiful document we call our constitution?

Yes. there is literally no reciprocity in a bigot muslim culture, where it seems to be okay to wipe his ass with the Bible, on the other hand cry foul, when a Quran is burnt. No question, the backlash to Jone's action is disgusting and abhorrent. The double standards we encounter on all dimensions of this topic, are indeed sickening. Muslimkis sure talk the talk, but rarely walk the walk themselves.

But life ain't fair and justice is an utopian concept. We live - sorry to state the obvious - in the context of a bigot world, a cruel, unfair, unjust and violent environment. Yes we must deplore and condemn it, stand tall in the face of such fanatics justifying their inhuman acts as a response to a bigot in our own midst. No doubt, the root cause for these acts is found in a fundamentally flawed muslim doctrine. But that does not relieve us from the obligation to examine the trigger, which was as much prerequisite to these acts, as an intolerant, medieval religious doctrine.

Go right ahead and rightfully blame the people pouring gasoline into the pool. There is ample justification to do that. But do not forget to blame this stupid bigot moron, who lit the fuse, as well, as he full well knew, what the consequences of his actions would be. The blood of these victims is for that reason alone as much on his conscience, as on the islamist mob and the cynics behind it.

Unquestionably we must deal with a hypocritical, double standard, intolerant, medieval- deeply and fundamentally flawed muslim culture. We must reject and repell their demanding and aggressive intrusion into our western way of life by all means available to us, while welcoming all those as gracious hosts, who want to live beside us and integrate truly as the guests they at least initially are.

While thus trying to maintain the moral highground, we however must also deal with the bigots in our midst, who abuse and pervert our civil liberties, with the same resolve. We therefore are not absolved from a sad conclusion, that Terry Jones is as responsible for the deaths of these innocent people, as the murderers actually holding the knives and shooting the guns. He is as guilty as those miserable low lives.

My GOD, to whom I pray, will at some point grant ultimate justice, and people like Terry Jones will burn in hell. Together with all those dumb, ignorant, misguided, fanatic muslim f&cks, who stone women, behead people and terrorize innocents. No 77 virgins, but everlasting fire and a good dose of the misery you dished out yourself. Ironically, Hell will be crowded by exactly those people who during their lifetime proclaimed to be religious, on the righteous path, even holy. They'll all be happily reunited alright, meeting their Mohammed and Allah, Khomeini, Hitler, Mao, Stalin and Saddam, a few Popes and some Dictators there.


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No sense in provocation [42 words]Phil GhidinelliMay 11, 2012 15:27195557
4islamic countries destroy many Christian Bibles and Jewish Torahs. [118 words]Phil GreendJan 30, 2012 18:16192908
1No Islamist will respond to this comment. [50 words]PrashantJan 31, 2012 02:19192908
1Which translation [17 words]Mark S. YaegelApr 23, 2011 19:51184527
2The Qur'an and translations of the Qur'an are not really the Qur'an and who says that islam is not the religion of the Arabs only [130 words]dhimmi no moreApr 24, 2011 15:36184527
Blame Or No Blame, The Answer Is Stll...... [21 words]Clifford IshiiApr 20, 2011 00:12184435
A god-send for the pc anti-Christian propaganda. [171 words]Gordon WeareApr 18, 2011 06:06184393
God sent [225 words]janApr 21, 2011 14:53184393
More anti-Christian (In wholesale form) from a pc-coward - who gives no name. [188 words]Gordon WeareApr 21, 2011 20:01184393
The pure cowardice of the ever omniscient, politically-correct hippy offspring. [134 words]Gordon WeareApr 22, 2011 01:09184393
The opposition of USA may be ok but why are Pakistanis killing each other [157 words]PrashantApr 22, 2011 04:47184393
Spot On [12 words]Tom DundeeApr 23, 2011 15:43184393
"Bri-tupidity" Makes Londonistan a Possibility [425 words]Nur el Masih Ben HaqApr 23, 2011 19:35184393
moslems killing moslems in bulk - [10 words]Gordon WeareApr 24, 2011 04:32184393
THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING ! [129 words]Gordon WeareApr 25, 2011 23:54184393
2The enemy within! [77 words]dhimmi no moreApr 26, 2011 08:38184393
3Thanks Daniel Pipes [80 words]
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M from North EUApr 17, 2011 06:24184359
Agreed. [72 words]AmerisraelApr 14, 2011 19:35184259
8Guilty are the ones who kill and kill and kill [204 words]M from North EUApr 13, 2011 11:39184224
Time to reap, my dear Pakistani brother, what you sowed, Now recover damages from Pakistan [307 words]Ravi Ranjan Singh Bharat PanthiMay 4, 2011 13:28184224
1I'm not a Pakistani brother ... [214 words]M from North EUMay 5, 2011 05:21184224
Sorry Dear [11 words]Ravi Ranjan Singh Bharat PanthiMay 6, 2011 00:20184224
1Thank you Sir [28 words]M from North EUMay 8, 2011 05:53184224
1Burn, Baby, Burn! [433 words]julietsmApr 12, 2011 23:09184207
1By Comparison.... [127 words]terence hoareApr 12, 2011 23:01184206
4"NEW" threat levels raised for troops? [462 words]MosheApr 12, 2011 09:49184175
7We can only blame Islam and the Mullahs [101 words]dhimmi no moreApr 12, 2011 06:41184172
6Tit for tat-- [159 words]Muslimk***Apr 12, 2011 03:09184170
Who's to blame? [87 words]David B. KleinApr 11, 2011 23:02184160
1Critiquing Islam and not Islamism! [102 words]JaladhiApr 11, 2011 11:34184144
6They kill Christian converts and behead Jews and burn our flags [112 words]M from North EUApr 10, 2011 12:25184125
4Book Burning. [203 words]Philip SmeetonApr 10, 2011 09:14184122
1Who is to be blamed, Pastor Terry Jones or somebody else? [54 words]PaladionApr 9, 2011 20:22184115
Is Pastor is responsible? [96 words]Ravi Ranjan Singh Bharat PanthiMay 8, 2011 05:37184115
1Then, who is to be blamed? [30 words]PALADIONApr 9, 2011 19:31184114
American exceptionalism [100 words]Abraham IrwinApr 9, 2011 18:28184112
2Terry Jones was within his right to burn a Koran [244 words]there is NO Santa ClausApr 9, 2011 17:31184109
We should listen to Dan Pipes. [63 words]Ben ZeeApr 9, 2011 12:46184103
1We're In Trouble [91 words]Jules PostenApr 8, 2011 13:18184079
1Jones has right to burn Koran, but he should know there are severe consequences! [32 words]Ben ZeeApr 9, 2011 12:40184079
We're In Trouble (continued) [163 words]Jules PostenApr 11, 2011 14:01184079
13double standards in the media [245 words]Dr. David CashinApr 8, 2011 06:48184066
2"Double Standards in the Media" may be due to journalists selfishness [289 words]PrashantApr 24, 2011 16:34184066
The blame lies with neither [9 words]KevinApr 8, 2011 06:04184064
Jesus [3 words]QhaweApr 8, 2011 06:02184063
Love is not a law [214 words]AnnaApr 11, 2011 09:20184063
for freedom [157 words]concernedApr 8, 2011 05:22184060
1Burn! [486 words]Fred BaehrApr 8, 2011 05:13184059
3MUSLIMS HAD BURNED SEVERAL COPIES OF THE BIBLE WITH IMPUNITY [756 words]Nur el Masih Ben HaqApr 8, 2011 04:25184056
3I am burning the Koran with Pastor Jones! [358 words]NuritGApr 8, 2011 02:22184054
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A matter of choice [54 words]ArthuraApr 8, 2011 01:27184052
1Quran-Koran burning [67 words]peter knopflerApr 8, 2011 00:00184050
Yes, Pastor Terry Jones is Responsible!! [135 words]William ArulApr 7, 2011 23:16184048
Constitution of the United States [269 words]Arlinda DeAngelisApr 23, 2011 08:46184048
2The short answer is no. [207 words]batya daganApr 7, 2011 18:57184041
1Who is to blame? [105 words]Rude WakenApr 7, 2011 17:37184040
8Should We Blame The Florida Pastor...? [188 words]SailaApr 7, 2011 17:25184038
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Pastor's comments [15 words]Bo CarlApr 7, 2011 23:42184038
Being right and doing wrong. [339 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 11, 2011 09:08184038
Sharia [40 words]AnnaApr 11, 2011 09:29184038
We are answerable to our Creator [135 words]Frank LukeApr 12, 2011 10:27184038
Details in the Big Picture [172 words]Fred BaehrApr 12, 2011 12:33184038
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5Answer Me this One [7 words]Bob P.Apr 7, 2011 17:17184037
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1ANIMALS ARE BEAUTIFUL [259 words]Ilene RichmanApr 8, 2011 09:31184036
6Freedom of expression in Koran burning [224 words]Bob JackApr 7, 2011 16:36184033
So how about it Bob? [244 words]Fred BaehrApr 12, 2011 13:03184033
Koran burning etc. [82 words]Bob JackApr 12, 2011 17:46184033
1Just one correction to Bob's letter [73 words]PrashantApr 13, 2011 02:16184033
Back to Bob [134 words]Fred BaehrApr 14, 2011 14:50184033
Free Expression [22 words]Bob JackApr 14, 2011 15:49184033
1Koran burning and the role of Congress [220 words]Bob JackApr 7, 2011 16:31184032
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The killer is the first to blame of course [146 words]Hanan AtalayApr 7, 2011 15:58184029
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2burning a book vs murder [40 words]Jules PostenApr 7, 2011 13:38184024
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3Couldn't agree more Daniel [70 words]WilksApr 7, 2011 12:32184018
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1Afghanistan--successful resistance agsint civilization again [241 words]KephaApr 8, 2011 15:08184015
2Re: Burning the Koran [168 words]Dennis Garwitz Sr.Apr 7, 2011 12:19184014
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1So Open-minded; the moral eqivalence is brilliant. How any Beheadings and Honour Killings can you attribute to Jeffs? [145 words]marianaApr 8, 2011 12:17184012
1First Amendment? [70 words]David KoralApr 7, 2011 11:48184011
1Biblical scripture does not support Mr. Jones, and His actions... [243 words]James flemingApr 7, 2011 11:32184009
2what does it tell you? [129 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 8, 2011 07:22184009
And our Leaders failed us [275 words]Peter J. HerzApr 8, 2011 14:58184009
2For something bad to happen it requires a root cause and a trigger [873 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 9, 2011 14:14184009
3no good reason [228 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 11, 2011 06:52184009
Cause and Effect - Darkness Cannot Produce Light - [740 words]M. ToveyApr 11, 2011 13:57184009
1GIK - For once there are strightforward answers to your questions - rare indeed [720 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 12, 2011 10:21184009
If you assert that muslims, and the rioters in particular, are children, then you could say Jones has responsibility. [54 words]MarkApr 7, 2011 11:19184007
1We hold these truths... [107 words]Tom from ChicagoApr 7, 2011 11:16184006
4If Jones is responsible, Muslims have no will, no responsibility, no humanity [94 words]Abu NudnikApr 7, 2011 11:03184005
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If Jones is resonsible then muslims have no free will [6 words]JulieApr 8, 2011 01:32184005
totalitarian ideology [153 words]AnnaApr 11, 2011 09:37184005
Response to Abu Nudnik was an effort to illustrate the fallacy of his comment ... [27 words]RhetoricalGirlApr 11, 2011 23:34184005
Don't know what you mean [75 words]Abu NudnikApr 30, 2011 13:59184005
Not a successful rebuttal [62 words]Abu NudnikApr 30, 2011 14:02184005
All things are not expedient [125 words]Frank LukeApr 7, 2011 10:54184004
Great Article [156 words]Carol H.Apr 7, 2011 09:57183995
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2a Barbaric religion [231 words]trainman6Apr 7, 2011 09:47183993
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2Muslim killings after Koran burning [77 words]leejhApr 7, 2011 22:49183990

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