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A respectful reply to Hareem Saheb

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Submitted by gtm (United States), Oct 21, 2013 at 18:34

Salaam Hareem Sahab, You have written a thoughtful and compassionate reply to which I would like to offer a few comments. These are offered in a respectful vein, but seeks to eplore some of the greatest stumbling blocks separating Islam and the Sanatana Dharma. Indeed, much of the ill-will between India and Pakistan have their roots in the fundamental differences in the ways we perceive these questions and the ways history has evolves around these. These are not merely academic issues, because Pakistani generals base their nuclear threats on India without any idea of the psychology of the opponents and not understanding at all that the reactions will not be aimed exclusively at Pakistan but at the roots of Islam.

Perhaps we have a situation that cannot ever be resolved but at the very least we can communicate accurately across a wide and deep chasm. Communcation does not mean agreement. That is what dialog means.

The core principle of the Sanatana Dharma is 'apauraSheyatva' : not revealed to any particular designated messenger, but is SEEN by those who have achieved certain levels, AND the Dharma is revived from time to time by AVATARAS, of varied potency, from the Purnabrahma, the full incarnation, to various aspects, powers, or elements as needed for that place, time or people. [It would be useful to offer a systematic course on Dharma because it is curious that there is NO ONE in Pakistan who is proficient in this area, not according to the standard of a traditonal pandit-sadhaka. Not even among the Pakistani Hindus perhaps, even the deeply spiritual "saints" among them.] 'AvatArAH hi asamkhayoyAH, is the sutra indicating the infinitude of the avataras, running counter to the Khatam-un-nabi principle. We have keenly observed and made many grave judgments in this regard, and found many full avataras being born since the passage fo your prophet who does not hit the avatar meter at all while the Christ hits very, very high. WHen we read the Sahi Bukhari 8, hadith about seeing Christ stuck on level 2, and Moses, etc. we form our own conclusions. We go through the Sahi Bukhari closely, all of 7, 9, for example, and also arrive at our considered decision.

Then we closely examine the Quran and turn to passages like 8:55-57, and study those with respect to our own experiences, that of our techers and of our lineages. Go to the Sura on Light, do the same. We are very careful about spiritual issues, because this is a civilization that has spent its entire energy on the spiritual quest. We examine very carefully those very few Sufis that we find to have reched the full grade, and also those wandering fakirs who are using mantra shastra and breath control to acquire psychic powers. Like geologists carefully mapping out a vast territory, we also do many, many tests with a number of specialized probes, and come up with the same conclusions. We probe various branches of Christianity, just as much as we probe ourselves continuously. You may counter that the mind doing the probing and the instrumentation is itself flawed and inadequate. This was the very first question that was posed in our civilization and the very first problem that was sought to be solved. f you were really interested, you should come and spend a couple of years at our expense at Haridwar, and live simply at an ashram and try and understand the thoroughess and the basis of our searches. You will also understand why we do so.

If someone says, "God said, this religion spoken through this Messenger is the most perfect truth, and this Messenger ALONE is the perfect, and Final messenger, and those not heeding him are going to be punished" well, fine. Anybody has the right to proclaim anything. However, when a group grows up around that figure that takes up on itself to propagate that mesaage via extreme violence and calls it PEACEFUL, that is patently wrong. There is total denial as to what happened in India and even Persia. The GREATEST and the HOLIEST TEMPLES were not just raed, they were evilly desecrated. If your KAABA was desecrated, with people urinating, defecating, pigs being tied there, etc. how many millenia would it take for you to forgive and forget? Many Kaabas were thus desecrated and this is the huge stain that has made Muslims less than human in Hindu eyes.

This will never be made whole untl there is some truth and reconciliation, not any legislation for job reservation, not any further vilification of Hindus like we see Franklin doing nothing. Indeed, Hindus are the natural suppoters of Israel because they see the Muslims unreasonably occupying the SINGLE HOLY PLACE OF THE JEWS, their Sacred Mount. You cannot understand the savage fury of the orthodox Hindu nor their tenacity that will destroy the Islamic culture, just as you cannot understand the tenacity, fury and hurt of the Jews. The more injury and pain you inflict on these two the more harm you are causing the Muslims. You cannot understand, because you do not read, that the Buddhists were so traumatized by what the Muslim invaders did to them that the Kalachakra Tantra has been created to destroy Islam. It names Mohammed as one of the 8 Abominations, and every initiate of the Kalachakra becomes a soldier of the future to destroy islam. The Ghawa-e-Hind is not going to be Hindus, but these future soldiers from a very unexpected source, and the law of karma says that they will win.

And, you cannot distinguish the Theravada and the Vajrayana and the genocide that was committed since 1947 on the Therevada Buddhists in East Bengal by the Muslim settlers. Why talk about the West Bank and Rakhine and not look at these things? That is why no one now believes when a Muslim speaks about respecting religions: sau chooha, etc. Even the Chishtiyeh hands are dripping with blood, but our pseudo-seculars are all ga-ga with "sufis"! Have you read the essay by Ali Shariati: "The Red and the Black"? Please do, and then comment on what he says! Hindus are fully committed to respecting all religons, but are those religions at all committed to respecting the Sanatana Dharma, that Includes the Vaidika, Bauddha, Jaina and Sikhi? That is the question that needs to be answered.

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