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Submitted by G.Vishvas (Germany), Apr 25, 2007 at 03:49

Respected Frahad

You wrote:

1) "It appears that you almost revel at the idea of conflict between these three great monolithic religions and that you are getting enormous pleasure in the idea that they are in a perpetual state of fighting."

Comment: What makes you think like that? If they fight we suffer too. WAR religions (WAR = West Asiatic Revelation-based) and EAR religions (EAR = East Asiatic Realisation-based) are radically different from one another. Muslims are taught that they should love and enjoy to fight and die and kill for islam.

2) "Even after centuries of rule on the Indian Sub-continent, Muslims only account for around two-fifths of the population and no more."

Comment: Although muslims ruled over large parts of India several centuries. This does not imply that islam is tolerant but that hindu religions are capable of standing up against the islamic lies, violence and manipulations. See also the reasons given by the muslim orthodoxy to justify Aurangzeb murdering (1659 AD) his elder brother Dara Shukoh. So much about the word "brother"as understood by muslims.

3) "The mountain range was called Hindu Kush as in prevented marauding Hindu armies from ever crossing into Persia."

Comment: There is no record of hindu armies wanting to attack Iran. The geography between Iran and Sindhu river basin is such that large scale invasions were hardly possible from either side. Marauders who came into India mostly remained in India and did not go back. Megasthenes clearly mentions that hindus did not invade others' territories because of the hindus' sense of justice (dikaikos). Furthermore he writes: "For the Indians stand almost alone among the nations in never having migrated from their own country. From the days of Father Bacchus to Alexander the Great, their kings are reckoned at 154, whose reigns extend over 6451 years and 3 months."

4) "You infer that all Muslims are kept ignorant by their leaders. From the earliest days Muslims have been encouraged to seek knowledge 'even unto the gates of China' and education was encouraged for both men and women and for all sections of the community. I find your generalisation laughable. For Muslims, the relationship between God and Man is personal, i would not expect non-Abrahamians to grasp the concept of 'The final judgement'. Muslims, Jews and Christians are familiar already with this. From a culture where the Brahmin are the sole custodian for all religious knowledge and the rigid caste sytem promotes ignorance and servitude, maybe you should concentate on addressing and improving the lot of your own kinsfolk.

You have failed (delibrately?) to grasp the diversity of the various Muslim communities that represent a quarter of the world family, do you find it easy to deal with them as one dehumanised species?"

Comment: I am talking about real facts of real muslim life – not what your idealised private version of islam says. Every religion has an idealised version in which its followers (like to) believe. It would be foolish to think that this idealised version is also the reality version. As regards caste system, I have said that it necessarily exists in every society, even in islamic societies. At least the hindus and brahmans are honest about it. But islam and honesty are incompatible because muslims want to fool people into thinking islam is wonderful, perfect and final.

Islam is dehumanising muslims. Why blame me for that? Liberal muslims do not have the ability, will, desire and possibility of taking on and defeating the islamic fanatics. So why blame me if I think of muslims as a dangerous, evil, foolish and primitive people? The kuran is like a mixture of honey and poison. The short-term effect may be that of honey but the long-term effect is that of poison. The success of islamic fascists in silencing the muslim liberals proves this. The kuran favours the fanatics and the violence-doers among the muslims. You may select the honey-quotes from the kuran, but that does not change the fact that islam is and will remain a poisonous fascist ideology. The poisonous sentences in the kuran will always overwhelm the nice ones in the long-run. The muslims are proving this themselves.

G.Vishvas

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