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The USSR and Islam

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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Dec 13, 2006 at 17:40

Dear Susan, thanks a lot for your comments which I greatly appreciate !

"In the first place, why should they admire and respect Moslem Chechens or Moslems as such? What good things have they ever received from Moslems or Islam ?"

> I know the moslems are despisable anywhere but I had the impression that after years and years under communism the ethic russians agreed that one could be russian in spite of his religious upbringing. I didnt say I was surprised.

> The russian woman i talked to (however living in a eu state) must have been really disgusted because she didn't care about the sources chechenia had, she said "we have oil in siberia, leave those animals alone, they just want war".

The above question ( "What good things has my country or have I ever received from Islam?" ) actually should be asked by all of us. It would clarify a lot of misunderstanding (=dispel false hopes) concerning Islam in the modern world(=its objective to replace the modern world with a nasty medieval nightmare).

Who isn't disgusted at the Chechens , those savage brigands of the Caucasus ? You can't like them even if you wanted to so much . Some journalists working for "Radio Free Europe" or other Eurabian organs and institutions could , but the Chechens didn't hesitate to kidnap them and demand ransom nonetheless. They don't care as long as booty is in sight and a kaffir a victim.

> If this is the common thinking of the majority of russians, there is hope for the future. When i saw public rallies for the death of that pro-chechens journalists as well as that fraud-spy that converted to islam on death bed I thought that russia has been poisoned by politically correctness too.

Well, do you remember the rallies under the previous regime ? They meant nothing as they were never spontaneous. People were ordered to demonstrate or were mildly reminded of a perspective of losing their jobs or other tangible and adverse effects if they refused to turn up at this or that rally at that and that time .

As to a crook made Moslem , why bother ? Who else can become a Moslem unless a criminal ? In American prisons many convicts convert to Islam. In Samuel Johnson's saying "Fatherland is the last refuge of a scoundrel" replace the word "fatherland" with "Islam" to get the updated version of it .

> I personally don't care if some pro-chechens people have been eliminated. Sounds like when they eliminate collaborationists of mafia. Good riddance.

As Jesus put it : "those who take the sword will die by the sword." cj(26,53);

"Come on ! When did Islam become a race ? You seem to be mixing up notions a little ."

> I used racist but you know what I meant. Just replace the word. The sense is the same.

I do admit I knew what you meant but I notice that the word 'racism' doesn't sound inviting or just as applied to the Russians. Moslems hate all kaffirs so is it strange that kaffirs pay them back with the same coin ? Actually, Islam is the most hated religion in the world to the best of my knowledge.

> So you are saying that this war should go on til all muslims are eradicated? There isn't anybody more than myself that would like them to disappar, they are not many but you know the scream at genocide is just around the corner.

I'd prefer a mass conversion of Moslems to non-Islam (Christianity, buddhism, atheism whatever ) , if necessary why not use the force to achieve that noble end ? They must be given a fair chance after all. Why not turn Islam's own sword against itself ?

> Of all the things I 've read Russia is the only place doing more things muslim-unfriendly and that's good in my book. Too bad they are breeding there too.

China in Eastern Turkestan has done also a lot of anti-Moslem things and it has largely de-Islamized the province (before 1949 96% Moslems , now less than than 50% ). It's the right trend and commendable example to follow for all, including Russia.

As to demography let the Russians earn as much as people in Ireland and the decrease of population in Russia will be soon reversed. With 90% or so living a poor and insecure life how can you expect that a European nation will gladly want to expose their children to the same humiliating living conditions?

> The cancer had to be eradicated when there was still communism, nobody would have noticed.

The communists conducted a peculiarly inconsistent policy towards Islam. The Soviet Union was the first country to acknowledge the kingdom of Hejaz ( Saudi Arabia is a double kindom - Najd and Hejaz) as it was proclaimed by Abul Aziz ibn Saud after his conquest of the holy places in 1926. It also was first to acredit its representative comrade Kerim Hakimov in Jidda. He always bore a turban and traditional Arabic cloak . In 1932 prince Faisal ibn Abdul Aziz at the invitation of Stalin visited the Soviet Union to develop trade relations and strike some arms deals. But the Arabs were distrustful of what lay behind this sudden friendship of the Godless. In 1938 Hakimov had to leave the country of the faithful and friendly relations came to an end for ever.

Under such conditions eradicating Islam in the Soviet Union had hardly been a serious objective.

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