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Submitted by UNCLE VLADDI (Canada), Dec 24, 2015 at 23:47

Hi Demsci,

You're welcome. But I don't think merely promoting democracy is the answer to islam (crime). Democracy only means we get to vote on things; it quickly devolves to might-made-rights and mob rule, exactly like islam itself. As the "Arab Spring" debacle shows, take away their tyrants and give muslims the vote, and they WILL vote - for MORE ISLAM!

We in the West have created a Civilization based on the Golden Rule of Law (most simply put as Do Not Attack First) as a general principle. i.e: our only real right is to not be attacked first, and our only real responsibiilty is to not attack (thereby innocent) other people first. So between two or more people, all is disallowed unless and until specifically agreed to. From agreeing to obey this Rule, we have attained trust, and economic progress because of that trust. Right makes might.

Islam is the exact opposite: Where they claim the us-against-them tenet of might-makes-right, where they hold it is always their holy right and duty to attack all the infidels first. Might makes right and the only crime is losing the fight. All is allowed unless and until very specifically disallowed. From adhering to this Brazen Rule of criminal Chaos, they sow distrust and therefore economic stagnation (because everyone is always too busy plotting attacks and defenses to have any real hope to plan for the future).

So I think honesty is the best policy.

It should never be allowed by backwards people to be considered "illegal" to accuse these criminals (muslims) of their crimes, allegedly because the painful truth might offend them or hurt their feelings, and so "make" them commit even more crimes!

No problem was ever solved by ignoring it, and we aren't doing even any of these muslims (whose own ancestors were among Muhammad's first victims) any favours by going along with any of their historic lies and alibi excuses for their crimes.

ALL muslims are criminals: by their own rules, they must endorse in public every word in the Qur'an, which tells them that they are so "superior" to all non-muslims, that it's not only their right, but also their holy duty to their god, to extort, enslave, and murder all the non-muslims in the world, simply for the "crime" of not being muslims.

So the Qur'an is a clearly-written, us-versus-them hate-crime book, endorsing a permanent might-makes-right death-threat.

ALL muslims are criminals, as being members of the ancient, ongoing global extortion racket called islam. In sharia law texts, muslims are SUPPOSED to be regarded as threats (as "objects of fear") by all the unbelievers, whether or not the individual muslim has itself actually committed any crimes.

That's why we have laws against simply being a MEMBER of a crime-gang or 'criminal enterprise' because their membership endorses the inherent threat. Threats are crimes in themselves: they are psychological attacks, also known as intimidation, bullying, coercion, duress, harrassment, activist agitation, extortion, and "terrorism."

And even any "only" attempted crimes are still considered by civilized people to be crimes.

Here's islam's "holy Message from god" as exemplified by the collective words and deeds of it's Founder:

"I will save humanity by lying to, extorting, torturing, robbing, burning out of their homes, kidnapping and ransoming, enslaving, raping and murdering everyone who even only verbally disagrees with me – and you can, too!"

- Muhammad -

Muhammad was really only a con-man and bandit-king, an arch-criminal who always blamed "god" for his own penchant for committing crimes. If Moe got away with committing a crime (and he tried them all, enthusiastically, more than once, but instead of ever showing contrition, bragged about how much fun it was to commit them, and advised everyone else to join in the fun, too), then it was held to be "obvious" that "god" wanted him to get away with having committed those crimes!

Everything muslims pretend to see as "holy" is already a crime!

So, islam is not a "religion" (at all, much less one "of peace") nor is it a "race" (at all, much less one of "Poor, Oppressed, People Of Colour")!

Obviously, islam is ONLY an ancient, ongoing extortion-racket CRIME-syndicate, and the only "religious" part in it, is where they say:

"God told us to commit these crimes!"



The Qur'an clearly and specifically tells muslims the Bible is wrong and also that all Christians and Jews are infidel criminals who worship a false god, and who must therefore be extorted, enslaved, and murdered for their "crime" of not being muslims:

Sura (Chapter) 47:1-4 of the Qur'an:

1: non-muslims are bad, (allegedly because they insult allah by dividing his nature*);

2: muslims are good, (allegedly because to them allah is the cause of everything*);

3: Allah made them both like that;

4: So muslims should chop off the non-muslims' heads.

("Allah could have done it himself, but he wants you muslims to do it for him").

It's all right there, in context: islamic violence is entirely general doctrine-driven, and not at all specific grievance-driven. (Don't go looking for what actions of yours may have offended or provoked them; they have been taught from birth that your existence alone offends their god, and so should offend them).

(And chapter 47 isn't by any stretch even remotely the worst, most violent chapter; that honor goes to either chapter 8 or 9).

*[Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers! (3:151)].

So, if and when you consider islam to be a religion, you must agree with it's main tenet: that God is a violent murderer who wants his muslim tribe to violently conquer the world by extorting, enslaving, and murdering all the non-muslim humans, right?

At WORST, all REAL religions only say:

"Obey our silly rules, or GOD (/'the gods') will get you!"

...but ONLY islam says:

"Obey our silly rules, or WE will get you ('for god')!"

A forced 'Faith!' ISN'T a "Faith!" at all - it's only extortion, and extortion is always a CRIME.

Bottom line: Muslims must be told straight out, unequivocally: "If you decide to believe in "allah," you have declared yourself a criminal, and so must be arrested, indicted, tried and convicted. Your confession of "faith" in your crime-god will help us to do so."


Further, here are some more teachings from the Koran, "valid from eternity to eternity":

2:191 Slay the unbelievers wherever you come upon them.

9:5 Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.

2:98 Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers.

30:45 Allah does not love the unbelievers.

3:28 Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.

3:85 If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) it will never be accepted.

8:12 Cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

8:60 And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy.

4:89 Anyone trying to leave islam must be murdered for it.

There really is not any room for doubt.


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I know you are, but what am ? [423 words]T.L. winslowDec 12, 2015 12:25226932
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