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Reader comment on article: [Theo van Gogh and] "Education By Murder" in Holland

Submitted by Oscar Laurens Schrover (Netherlands), Dec 6, 2004 at 08:06

A Tale from Denmark's inner city

A group of anonymous Muslims go to court over van Gogh's film Submission, as Denmark's Radio continues to broadcast excerpts.
There is more rumour in this northern country.

On the webpages of the leading Danish Newspaper Politiken cand. phil. Steen Pramming narrates his story about life on schools in Copenhagen innercity, 'It took me one and a half year to get to know the Iraqi Muslims in Nřrrebro (workman's quarter in Copenhagen). It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth, not me against them, but them against me.. I taught at Ibn-Sina Highschool. Most of the individuals are nice people, they posses humor, but does the Iman say to the right, they go right, and if he says to the left, they go left.

The children had none whatsoever respect for Danish women. Were they taught Arabic you could hear a pin drop, but when Danish teachers held classes they were unruly, troublesome. Parents, and older sisters and brothers told them not to listen to Danish teachers. I could hold discipline because I whacked one of my pupils for nearly beating another pupil to death. The children in my class were given mobile phones to warn their parents if I would dare to give one.. But they were respectful to me, as it was generally know that the Arab teachers used to spank the pupils when they were alone with them. The school tried consciously to decrease the numbers of danish staff, the general policy was a offensive by pupils and parents. The pupils did everything to ruin classes and the parents complained and complained.' He end his story that the hate we feel is perhaps a projection of our inadequacies. "

But Denmark has its own share of problems, for example one of the Muslim speakers is a female: Mrs. Mona Sheikh (http://www.american-pictures.com/gallery/minority/Mona.Sheikh-dk.htm) a fundamentalist posing as moderate in her discussion with the magazine Religion. She is in favor of an Islamic Denmark, and member of the fundamentalist Minhaj-ul Quran. She wants to curb the freedom of press and speech when it comes to criticizing Islam. She condones stoning and advocates Sharia under the guise of relativism, as she writes: 'This means that Islam touches upon daily live. The way in which an existing state or an existing people find their inspiration for their society (whether it is in the revelation of God or the revelations of Plato) exists freedom, following the individual and democracy. It is a right to choose. And it is this connection, I have argued that is from the democratic point of view unimportant if people choose for one or another ehtic, one or another model. And for clarity's sake, the Koran and the Soennah are not a corpus of laws as for example the constitution of a country, but are from a judicial point sources for law. And the Sharis remains the fundamental principle of law, lead from the background of classical legal sentences. There is,' mrs. Sheikh modifies, 'no consensus as to what sort of governmental practice this should lead to.'

Mrs. Sheikh is a prominent Muslim, and her reasoning is as follows: 'it doesnot matter who and what program the people may elect, as long as they have a choice. Meaning: Hitler, Stalin, Khomeiny it is all the same—as long as the people want it.

Europe awake..

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