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Submitted by Doc Tater (United States), Feb 15, 2008 at 20:00

jennifer,

Thank you for considering my comments.

My favorite reference for explaining how things came to be as they are in Lebanon is, "Because They Hate", by Brigitte Gabriel. Most Americans are not aware that, until the 1970's, Lebanon was a modern country with a majority Christian population, and that a Muslim revolution killed off or displaced so many of those Lebanese Christians that it is now a country with a majority Muslim population. In the process, the small nation went from being cosmopolitan and sophisticated to being, well, something less pleasant and less appealing. When the Muslims got it, they started ruining it. Brigitte Gabriel was a child during the Muslim revolution, a Meronite Christian, and lived in a bomb shelter dug into the ground next to her family home for years during the fighting. Her autobiographical account of growing up in that war, struggling to survive physically and emotionally, is stunningly articulate, politically sophisticated, and brilliantly expressive. It is a book that should be regarded today with the same respect that used to be accorded to "The Diary of Anne Frank" (using the popular and better-known version of the actual title).

My first understanding of the true modern history of Lebanon, which Americans are simply not taught, arose when our hospital hired a part-time Lebanese physician in 2002, whom everyone regarded with great suspicion because of his appearance and accent until he and I had a little "getting acquainted" conversation. It turned out that he is Christian, as is the rest of his family.

When the Muslim revolution came rumbling down the road to his family home the jihadists attacked with great violence and brutality, and left the heads of three men in his family planted on stakes driven into the ground in front of their home, just to clarify the religious-ideological situtation for the rest of the Christian people in the neighborhood. He knew, better than I or anyone else who was suspicious of him and mistakenly pre-judging him, what the dangers of an Islamic jihad could be, which made it all the more infuriating for him to be presumed by others to be a bomb-throwing jihadist. He understood the threat posed by the enemy better than we did, and had much better knowledge of the enemy. I listened to the verbal history he recited whenever we had the time, and I learned much from him.

You are so very right, jennifer, to be concerned when people speak apologetically about "asymmetrical warfare", and use an accusatory tone when describing "disproportionate use of military force". We cannot allow ourselves to respect such distorted, deluded thinking.

This is a bunch of bed-wetting liberal hogwash, promulgated by a bunch of surrender monkeys in the media networks who deserve to be beaten down until they are nothing but dhimmi slaves and rotting corpses.

We cringe at the thought of "collateral damages" and "civilian casualties". This is ridiculous!

We're fighting an enemy who dresses in civilian attire, and who don't identify themselves as combatants. They hide behind women, children, old people and cripples, using them as human shields (a favorite Hezbullah trick in Lebanon). They dupe pitiful mentally disabled persons into being human bombs. I say it is completely stupid and self-defeating to even apply the concept of civilian casualties to anyone who isn't obviously engaged in an active, ongoing attack against them. If they want their civilians to be treated by us the way we, in our decency, would like to treat civilians, they will wear uniforms and allow themselves to be identified as enemy combatants at all times. Otherwise they should expect to be treated as spies and saboteurs, who essentially have no rights under the laws of war.

Let's not forget the hard truth that they regard all our men, women, children, pets, livestock, and trees to be legitimate targets in their holy war. They regard us as being unclean, like swine, as an article of their religion. They even regard our dogs as unclean, and needing extermination, as an article of their religion. Cetainly, even the most timid, liberal, pitiful wimps among us cannot tolerate the way they would torture and kill our little pet doggies, if they only had the chance. Can't our people get their hackles up about a jihadist enemy who would treat our dogs in an inhumane fashion?

There is nothing noble or prudent about fighting a war with resources that are less than completely over-powering. Accordingly, warfare is intrisically asymmetric when it is most advantageous. Nobody should ever chose to fight a war without a decided military advantage, and without an unquestioning commitment to completely destroying the enemy's capacity to strike back or retaliate. Victory should be decisive. The enemy should be decimated when you're done fighting against them, or you haven't done a good job fighting the war.

The problem is that America and Great Britain have become so excessively civilized and compassionate that they are no longer willing to hate an enemy with sufficient venom that they can energetically and enthusiastically kill that enemy. It shouldn't have to be re-stated, but here it is: You can't fight a war without killing the enemy.

We no longer love ourselves enough to hate an enemy. We're afraid to even discuss the usefull, healthy attitude of loathing anyone enough to feel justified in killing them. We are droning in our own self doubt.

Military victories come from a ruthless application of destructive, killing forces, applied relentlessly and without remorse to an enemy until that enemy is decisively defeated and unable to launch any meaningful retaliation.

We are not willing to be ruthless. When was the last time any of us has even considered the possibility that we might be "ruthless"? For most of us, it's too terrible to comntemplate that one of us might be "ruthless". We need to be ruthless if we're going to win this war. We don't have to particularly like it, and we might even regret it, but we have to be ruthless to win any war, so let's get used to the idea.

To win a war you have to enjoy a shared belief that fighting is right, justified, necessary. To win a war you have to dehumanize the enemy, idealize yourelves, and memorialize your cause. That's what we did to win every war we've ever won, going back thousands of years, and it's what we haven't been able to do since Korea.

To win a war you must energetically and enthusiastically launch yourselves into attack after bloody attack, and feel good about coming home a victorious warrior who is entitled, by that status, to all the rewards his community can offer. People who win wars think heroes are wonderful, and they think cowards are despicable.

People who win wars are committed, willing to do anything that is required to win. Churchill said, during the Battle of Britain, "Sometimes it is not enough to do your best. Sometimes you must do what is required."

We in the west have become the only people in the world who worry that our enemies might have a critical opinion of us. We will lose if we don't get our heads back on straight.


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That's the link ?! [105 words]BahgatJan 4, 2009 09:55
let them choose [185 words]Adel ElkabanyNov 3, 2008 05:01
What happened to the story about how Egypt mistreated the Palestinian Arabs in Gaza? [433 words]DrRJPMar 19, 2008 10:38
Open Rafiah gate and let them fall out! [14 words]Sagi CohenMar 3, 2008 07:31
Tempting Short-Term Solution [128 words]AaronFeb 20, 2008 07:50
re GAZA [224 words]Tess (Australia)Dec 29, 2008 02:07
Eretz Israel; from Dan to the Sinai and from the Med to Arava Jordan [227 words]Ari - JakartaFeb 5, 2008 01:17
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Thanks Sofa [39 words]YnnatchkahFeb 4, 2008 09:10
Join the Maccabean Resistance [52 words]Maccabean ResistanceFeb 2, 2008 11:32
Gaza WAS and now IS Egypt's - make it a fait accompli - by force, of course. Duh [264 words]MitchFeb 1, 2008 11:20
How will that stop the rockets? [50 words]GabrielFeb 1, 2008 05:49
The rockets WOULD stop because Egypt -- not Hamas -- will be held accountable for any attacks on Israel [67 words]DrRJPFeb 5, 2008 00:30
The Hatred of Gaza is Infectuous - Who Really Wants That? [366 words]M. ToveyFeb 5, 2008 18:44
Do you really think there is a difference between Hamas and the Jew-hating Sunni leaders in Egypt? [120 words]Doc TaterFeb 6, 2008 18:15
How could Israel be more safe? [94 words]jennifer solisFeb 9, 2008 01:32
Israel's border with Lebanon has been blissfully quiet? [415 words]Doc TaterFeb 11, 2008 13:28
Quite right, Doc Tater [325 words]jennifer solisFeb 13, 2008 04:49
⇒ The history of the Lebanon versus Hezbullah conflict, and "disproportionate use of military force". [1201 words]Doc TaterFeb 15, 2008 20:00
giving Egypt a ready to go bomb and then blaming her for the explsion ??? [74 words]JimMar 26, 2009 08:29
Excellent Idea [169 words]jennifer solisFeb 1, 2008 00:04
Islam is love and compassion: The Proof !!! [184 words]YnnatchkahFeb 3, 2008 01:21
To Ynnatchkah dont bring religion into this [217 words]someoneDec 21, 2008 07:07
Egypt does not want Gaza back [57 words]Jose AmramJan 31, 2008 21:50
Gaza back to Egypt? Bad idea. [83 words]B DubyaJan 31, 2008 15:20
Before 1920, only Jews were called, "Palestinians!" Read Joan Peter's book, "From Time Immemorial" [355 words]DrRJPJan 31, 2008 14:50
"Peleshet" were the forefathers of "palestinians". [108 words]jennifer solisFeb 3, 2008 18:38
If these idiots weren't bent on our destruction, the following would be extremely funny!! [818 words]DrRJPFeb 17, 2008 17:07
Give Gazans 2 Egypt [21 words]skmillerJan 31, 2008 13:51
Problems Solved [75 words]Alex SabyFeb 7, 2008 22:05
Bravo [9 words]David SabghirJan 31, 2008 12:18
Egypt doesn't want Gaza [67 words]bernardZJan 31, 2008 09:52
Gaza to Egypt? [92 words]DanFeb 1, 2008 15:51
The best solution for everybody . [33 words]Giora NevoJan 31, 2008 06:17
I predicted this outcome 4 years ago [14 words]Y Brandstetter MDJan 31, 2008 05:56
Egyptian takeover of Gaza not an option [98 words]Richard WebbJan 31, 2008 05:33
Not A Bad Idea [90 words]Naveed KhanJan 31, 2008 05:13
No, thanks ! [51 words]Mohammad NabilJan 31, 2008 04:46
the mess israel made? [118 words]bosJan 31, 2008 16:58
Mohammad Nabil and Islam [217 words]YnnatchkahFeb 1, 2008 13:35
Mohammad's history of Israel [422 words]InfidelFeb 1, 2008 17:15
Question to MohamMAD How does Egypt serve US interests? [205 words]Abu ShawarmaFeb 2, 2008 08:37
Brained Washed [13 words]Alex SabyFeb 7, 2008 22:26
Mohammad Nabil [32 words]Alex SabyFeb 7, 2008 22:44
US ,don't give aid to Egypt for nothing! [35 words]alex SabyFeb 9, 2008 13:20
Gaza To Egypt? [30 words]OmarJan 31, 2008 04:31
Gaza to Israel [40 words]Charles SmythFeb 1, 2008 10:14
Arab succesfully tagteaming Israel once again [160 words]Ari - IndonesiaJan 31, 2008 01:24
The Evolution of a Mistake-Period [179 words]JayJan 30, 2008 22:39
Kahane was right [40 words]JoshuaJan 30, 2008 22:30
Makes Much More Sense than a Divided Palestinian State [99 words]GWKJan 30, 2008 19:57
It's An Intriguing Idea [44 words]James HellwigJan 30, 2008 19:39
If only it were true! [199 words]W.A. TomlinsonJan 30, 2008 18:23
What? [13 words]john w mcginleyJan 30, 2008 17:39
Keep Dreaming [72 words]BIOYA1Jan 30, 2008 16:54
End the rocket fire? [84 words]Joe AuchterJan 30, 2008 16:34
I like it!! [16 words]Abu NudnikJan 30, 2008 16:20
Does Dr. Pipes mean "RETURN Gaza to Egypt"? [40 words]SadhasivJan 30, 2008 15:55
Why Would Anyone Want It ? [96 words]Gene TagliaJan 30, 2008 10:47
Gaza to Egypt [62 words]mikeJan 30, 2008 10:01
Dividing the land [438 words]Bart WillruthJan 30, 2008 09:21
May I disagree? [171 words]Rebecca MouldsJan 31, 2008 16:38
Dividing the land/Give Gaza to Egypt [182 words]Bart WillruthFeb 4, 2008 09:44
clarification [336 words]Rebecca MouldsFeb 4, 2008 22:47
good idea [52 words]dan deenyJan 30, 2008 09:16
Why would this stop the rocket fire? [34 words]Ken MJan 30, 2008 08:53
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Give Gaza to Egypt? [250 words]MauriceJan 30, 2008 05:36
I hope i'm wrong! [117 words]leo solomonJan 30, 2008 04:43
If only Egypt and the Arab world really wanted to create a better Middle East [174 words]Ken BesigJan 30, 2008 03:31
Good idea, in theory [498 words]FoxJan 30, 2008 03:27
One inconvenient truth [46 words]Doug GreenerJan 30, 2008 02:14
How would it stop the rockets?
[w/response] [146 words]
Michael SedleyJan 30, 2008 01:37
Suppose [17 words]Sol SchindlerJan 30, 2008 00:39
Egypt's big headache [327 words]Rebecca MouldsJan 29, 2008 22:44
Give us Darfur and we will take Gaza . [105 words]el brinceDec 21, 2008 06:40
I could not agree more. [136 words]stephen burnsJan 29, 2008 22:43
A Real Life Horror Story [214 words]Richard B.Jan 29, 2008 22:26
Gaza,Then...? [104 words]infosifterJan 29, 2008 21:50
Gaza to Egypt Great Idea -- But ..... [461 words]Sofa SogoodJan 29, 2008 21:35
A Couple of Thoughts [56 words]BlackspeareJan 29, 2008 21:11
A Undivided Israel. [180 words]Benjamin FoxJan 29, 2008 20:59
Letting Egypt annex Gaza [198 words]daniel wangJan 29, 2008 19:59
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Gaza [173 words]Donald W. BalesJan 29, 2008 18:47
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[w/response] [130 words]
AlexJan 29, 2008 18:35
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Re:Abu Nudnik comments [187 words]Evan LFeb 1, 2008 10:47
Gaza to Egypt [12 words]Steven LJan 29, 2008 18:22
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ONLY SOLUTION: GAZA UNDER EGYPT; PARTS OF WEST BANK LINKED TO JORDAN -- ANY OTHER PLAN ONLY SERVES ARAB AGENDA FOR DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL [369 words]G. MarcusJan 29, 2008 18:18
Both lucid and comprehensive [164 words]Ron ThompsonJan 29, 2008 22:37
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The "Palestinian" Trojan Horse [49 words]Joel SteinJan 31, 2008 17:44
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jizya [66 words]sammy goldbergJan 30, 2008 07:09
Exceptionally Said, Jaladhi. [92 words]YnnatchkahJan 30, 2008 14:28
Excellent point Jaladhi! [95 words]SadhasivJan 30, 2008 16:04
A jizya by anyother name is still a jizya!!! [156 words]JaladhiJan 31, 2008 18:08
Gaza is Jewish land [116 words]natJan 29, 2008 17:29
22 to 1 [275 words]Dr. AvringtonJan 29, 2008 18:45
Second the motion [123 words]Joe KaffirJan 29, 2008 23:54
Even under the religious point, Dr. Pipes is not wrong. matter of Interpretation.- Issue aside plus. [378 words]YnnatchkahJan 30, 2008 14:48
And God's directives is that Andalusia is a Muslim waqf until the day of resurrection! [115 words]Abu NudnikJan 30, 2008 16:18
You sound like an Islamist [45 words]YovenJan 31, 2008 13:30
TRANSFER PERIOD! [267 words]JeremyJan 31, 2008 20:38
Allah is not an Arab name for the God worshipped by Christians and Jews [429 words]InfidelFeb 3, 2008 00:24
Al-ilah not Arab/Islamic but (?) rooted in Aramaic [324 words]trans-parereFeb 5, 2008 18:42
I never said "That the Hebrew God was co-opted by Muhammad for his needs" [50 words]Abu NudnikMar 13, 2008 10:11
The Egyptians aren't insane [76 words]David SternlightJan 29, 2008 17:26
extra territory [118 words]sammy goldbergJan 30, 2008 07:33
Pipes make a convincing argument, but it ain't ever gonna happen. [176 words]RickJan 29, 2008 17:23
gazegypt [16 words]sammy goldbergJan 30, 2008 07:38
Very difficult since the Israel bashers would be entirely against this [218 words]LarryJan 30, 2008 09:52
Rick gets it exactly right -- Egypt won't accept Gaza voluntarily [215 words]Charles MartelJan 30, 2008 12:32
Nat, rather apt comparison with Miami [39 words]SadhasivJan 30, 2008 16:09
re Gaza [59 words]edith m. cordJan 29, 2008 17:20
Ah, the three state solution is back [12 words]MannyJan 29, 2008 17:11
An Interesting Situation [53 words]Seamus MacNemiJan 30, 2008 10:46
arab nationalism [57 words]joeJan 31, 2008 12:31
Create the fact on the ground. [101 words]MontyJan 31, 2008 17:53

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