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in response to reader comment: Why killing a peace activist ?

Submitted by Another one (Egypt), Mar 17, 2006 at 11:16

- My resources comes from "Raheeq Al Makhtum" Biography of Prophet Muhammad by
Saifur Rahman Mubarakpuri)

- your resources are (The Bani Quraytha Jews Traitors or Betrayed ?) article from the 1- From
Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland, (1976), pp. 100-107.
- Bat Ye'or. The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians under Islam (translated from the French by
David Maisel, Paul Fenton, and David Littman. London: Associated University Presses, 1985.

Here's apart from (The Bani Quraytha Jews Traitors or Betrayed) article :
"When he realized that the Jews wouldn't believe in him, and that their unbelief would turn
against him, because they have the Torah which has the criteria for any prophet, he realized
that they should be eliminated. So at first he switched the Qibla (the direction the Muslims
face in prayer) from Jerusalem to Mecca [Quran Surah 2:144 and Saheeh Bukhari - 41]. Then
warned them; they either become Muslims and be safe, or sell their possessions and leave
their land [Saheeh Muslim - 1765 & 1767 and Sunan Abi Dawood - 3003]."

-You want facts,i'll give you FACTS :
The referred references are :
[Quran Surah 2:144 and Saheeh Bukhari - 41]
[Saheeh Muslim - 1765 & 1767 and Sunan Abi Dawood - 3003]

"Surah 2:144" showing God commands the muslims to modify their direction of prayer,not
changed by the prophet's free will as a result for the jewish denial.

Verily! We have seen the turning of your (Muhammad's) face towards the heaven. Surely, We
shall turn you to a Qiblah (prayer direction) that shall please you, so turn your face in the
direction of Al-Masjid- al-Harâm (at Makkah). And wheresoever you people are, turn your faces
(in prayer) in that direction. Certainly, the people who were given the Scriptures (i.e. Jews and
the Christians) know well that, that (your turning towards the direction of the Ka'bah at
Makkah in prayers) is the truth from their Lord. And Allâh is not unaware of what they do. (Al-

Baqarah 2:144)
Book 41,Saheeh Bukhari (Loans, Payment of Loans, Freezing of Property, Bankruptcy
bukharii) Book 41, Number 570:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
While I was in the company of the Prophet in one of his Ghazawat, he asked, "What is wrong
with your camel? Will you sell it?" I replied in the affirmative and sold it to him. When he
reached Medina, I took the camel to him in the morning and he paid me its price.
Saheeh Muslim ,KITAB AL-SALAT
Book 4, Number 1765,1766,1767:

Basics of al hadeeth is discussing the EXCELLENCE OF SURAH AL-KAHF AND AYAT AL-

Abu Darda' reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: If anyone learns by
heart the first ten verses of the Surah al-Kahf, he will be protected from the Dajjal.

It is through another chain of transmitters that this hadith has been reported by Abu Mas'ud
from the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him).

This hadith has been transmitted by Qatada with the same chain of transmitters. But Shu'ba
(one of the narrators) said: At the end of Surah al-Kahf, but Hammam said: At the beginning of
Surah al-Kahf.
Sunan Abu Dawud 3003:No such a thing exists !!!!!

-The reasons for switching the Qibla :

{ And (remember) when We made the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah) a place of resort for
mankind and a place of safety. And take you (people) the Maqâm (place) of Ibrâhim (Abraham)
[or the stone on which Ibrâhim (Abraham) stood while he was building the Ka'bah] as a place
of prayer (for some of your prayers, e.g. two Rak'at after the Tawâf of the Ka'bah at Makkah),
and We commanded Ibrâhim (Abraham) and Ismâ'il (Ishmael) that they should purify My
House (the Ka'bah at Makkah) for those who are circumambulating it, or staying (I'tikâf), or
bowing or prostrating themselves (there, in prayer). } (Al-Baqarah 2:125)

- As the Arab pagans used " Al Ka'bah at Makkah" for their idolatry,the muslims couldn't
submit to the same direction at the prayers otherwise they will be worshipping idols just like
the pagans.Hence Allah ordered them to direct their prayers towards "Jerusalem"the place
where all the other divine religions were sent.

- After they invaded Mekka,defeated the pagans,destroyed all the worshipped idols,they were
ordered by Allah switch back to their original direction to the house whose "Abraham" built
with the help of his son "Ishmael" since it was cleaned from idolatry.

"No sweat"
- If you even bothered your self to follow the referred link
( http://www.masmn.org/documents/Books/Safiur_Rahman_Mubarakpuri/
Raheeq_Al_Maktoom/410.htm )
you would've figured that the "Surrender" was mentioned,clear as the sun.

(This will be my final post regarding this subject...thank you very much )

(Justme )
"The Bani-Qurayza broke a treaty by helping other exiled Jews with food and supplies and
stocking up on weapons in order to 'more than likely' sneak attack the defenseless Muslim's
weak side"

(Me) :
No ma'am,i'm afraid it's not that simple as you making it seem..those weren't helping an exiled
ally in an abandoned camp,those other jews "bani-nahdeer" who were exiled after the battle
of "kheebr" for breaking the treaty as well, formed an alliance with the pagans in order to
eliminate the prophet once and for all leaded by the evil hypocrite "Huyai b. Akhtab"

Here educate your self :
(The chief criminal of Bani Nadir, Huyai, headed for the habitations of Banu Quraiza to incite
their chief Ka‘b bin Asad Al-Qurazi, who had drawn a pact with the Messenger of Allâh [pbuh]
to run to his aid in times of war. Ka‘b, in the beginning resisted all Huyai's temptation, but
Huyai was clever enough to manipulate him, speaking of Quraish and their notables in Al-
Asyal, as well as Ghatfan and their chieftains entrenched in Uhud, all in one mind, determined
to exterminate Muhammad [pbuh] and his followers. He, moreover, promised to stay in Ka‘b's
fort exposing himself to any potential danger in case Quraish and Ghatfan recanted. The
wicked man went on in this manner until he later managed to win Ka‘b to his side and
persuade him to break his covenant with the Muslims. [Ibn Hisham 3/337] Banu Quraiza then
started to launch war operations against the Muslims especially the secluded garrisons that
housed the women and children of the Muslims. On the authority of Ibn Ishaq, Safiyah [R] )

Correcting my self :
(Sa'ad bin Mu'adh) former Jewish man from "bani-Qurayza" as i mentioned earilar.based on
weak hadeeth.
(Sa'ad bin Mu'adh) former Jewish man from "Al Aws tribe" supportive allies to bani "quriza"
who converted to Islam along with (Nu'aym ibn Mas'ud) from the "Ghatfan tribe" before the
starting of the trench battle. from a very reliable resource.
16. Tabari, Tarikh, I, 1499 (where the reference is to al-Waqidi, Maghazi, II, 513); Zad al-ma`ad (
ed. T. A. Taha, Cairo, 1970), II, 82; Ibn Kathir, op. cit., IV, 118.
so,sorry for misreporting.

The surredner of bani Quraiza "as you requested "
"The Jews of Banu Quraiza could have endured the siege much longer because food and
water were plentifully available and their strongholds were greatly fortified, whereas the
Muslims were in the wild bare land suffering a lot from cold and hunger, let alone too much
fatigue consequent on endless warfare operations that had started even before the battle of
Confederates. Nevertheless, this was a battle of nerves, for Allâh had cast fear in the the
Jews' hearts, and their morale had almost collapsed especially when two Muslim heroes, ‘Ali
bin Abi Talib and Az-Zubair bin ‘Awwam (May Allah be pleased with him) proceeded with ‘Ali
swearing that he would never stop until he had either stormed their garrisons or been
martyred like Hamza (a former Muslim martyr). "

About your comment "There is no way to confuse this basic fact of the Bible, Another One"

I'm not trying to confuse things in here actually,i was only showing you it would be ugly if
someone mocked your religion.

I admit that my knowledge is little about the "bible" as i wasn't concerned to read it before,but
i take it from these verses you've mentioned that god impregnated virgin Mary by sending her
"the holy spirit" archangel "Gabriel".If you confirmed that my predicting was right,then we've
no conflicts but one critical point which is considering "Jesus" to be son of God .As god
referred to him self in our book,

But it is not suitable for (the Majesty of) the Most Beneficent (Allâh) that He should beget a son
(or offspring or children). (Maryam 19:92)

These are the verses from "quraan" that contains the same biblical meaning.

She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our Ruh [angel Jibrael
(Gabriel)], and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects. (Maryam 19:17)

(The angel) said: "I am only a Messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a
righteous son." (Maryam 19:19)

Of course i still hold my respect for your beliefs,and pray you for an equal treatment..

About "Bani-Quriza" :
- For Justme,I rest my case,even if you aren't willing to believe it...

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