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Omar: did I ever ask you to tell me how much Arabic you know?

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jan 21, 2006 at 08:15

Dear Omar:

I'm not really interested in knowing how good is your Arabic, and I care less.

If you read with care, which you do not seem to, you will notice that I was interested in knowing how good is Nuray's Arabic, and did you ever ask yourself why?

Hint: If Nuary is to use Muslim primary sources as a reference he must use them in the langauge of the primary source which is Arabic. This means that he must provide _proper_ transliterations, and then a translation, and if he is to provide a translation he should provide the source of the translation (as I'm sure you agree with me that any translation is a Ta'weel!!), and if he does not, this will be called plagiarism. Do you want him to be a plagiarist Omar?

Is this asking for too much Omar?

Now based on what I know so far about Nuray:

1.His Arabic is poor.
2. His transliterations of Arabic are just as poor.
3. He provides translations without providing us readers with the source of such translation. You would agree with me that this is called plagiarism.

So my point to Nuray was: Why would he come to this forum preaching about his little cult of Islam when he cannot even read the primary sources of Islam in the primary language of Islam which is Arabic?

Is this asking for too much?

As for "kissing the stone" I did not ask you for your opinion and care less what you think. And while we are at it: So what is really an idol, and what is idolatory?

Then you wrote: "is there actually ANY evidence to the claims that Allah is the moon God."

I do not know if your Allah is the moon God or not. However, the careless reader that you are did not notice that Nuary already posted an article where he declared that Allah is not the moon God, all I was asking for is to provide us readers with _sound_ historical evidence.

All I' asking for is evidence from extant historical sources! Is this asking for too much Omar?
So why are you quoting the Qur'an without providing a transliteration of the verses that you are quoting, and why are you not providing us with the source of your translation? Do you want me to call you a plagiarist?

Next: your understanding of what is really Buddhism is so superficial. It is not even funny. Buddhism is a non-theistic religion (now you google this one). The theologies of Buddhism and Hinduism are light years ahead of Islam. Muhammad was a poor theologian and you are a victim of his ignorance Omar.

As for your "do not quote the Qur'an" is an example to me of how careless a reader you are. All I asked Nuray that if he uses the Qur'an to prove a point, this is called circular reasoning. Example if the Qur'an says that the Trinity (LOL big time) is Allah, Jesus and Mary then it must be, is a flawed way of thinking.

So how does one approach the Qur'an or any so called holy book? The only way is to regard it as a literary source with a history behind it and this holy book should be subjected to the rigors of literary criticism (this is what the great Egyptian scholar Abu Zeid was asking for until he was declared a Kafir and driven out of Egypt) , and that these are not history books. Is this asking for too much Omar?

Then you wrote: "Explain Islam without mentioning any Muslim sources."

Again you are a very careless reader. All I asked for are the following:

1. If he is to use primary Muslim sources be it the Qur'an or the hadith or the sira he must be able to read these sources in the primary language of islam which is Arabic, and provide us with transliterations, and if he is to use a translation he is to provide us with the source of his translation. Is this too much to ask for?

2. If he is to try and prove a point, let us say that Allah is not the moon God, he cannot only use Muslim sources to prove the point, he must also examine _extant_ (do you what this word means?) sources _external_ to the Muslim sources (I think this remark alone proves to me that you are also clueless (among other things) about what is really the study of history is all about). He has to subject these sources be it literary sources or coins or epigraphy or whatever they are, to literary criticism and then he can reach a conclusion. Is this asking for too much Omar?

Then you wrote: "If you are able to prove that Hinduism and Buddhism are also monotheism"

I'm not out to prove anything. But wait I can also ask you: "then prove that your Allah is the God of the Jews and Christians" and do not use the Qur'an to prove your point and you know why now. And I doubt very much that you would understand what I just wrote.

Then you wrote: "then I must agree with you" I care less if you agree with me or not.

Then you wrote: "and say that Muslims believe in the same God (as in the case of Hindus and Buddhists)" I read this as a complement to Hindus and Buddhists that Muslims tell us that they do not share their Allah with them.

I really feel sorry for you. What can I tell you.
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